Posts by Kanon

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Carbon-dating questions??

by DATA-DOG in

i recently heard a story from a jw about stupid scientists.

there was an awake article about archeaologist who found an ancient piece of art.

it was sent to a university for dating.

Kanon

From what I have read dating rock paintings is a lot more difficult, there are methods but I don't know how accurate they are.

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their are two australian guys scheduled for execution in indonesia in the very near future for drug smuggling , they were the ring leaders of seven others involved.this happened a number of years ago when the australian authourities notified their indonesian counterparts that drugs were to be smuggled out of indonesia into australia by australian citizens .. some argue , why didn` t the australian authourities simply arrest these people on arrival in australia where no capital punishment is on the agenda .. by all accounts they have now been on death row for many years and have turned their lives around , being role models to other prisoners and changing their lives .. i personally have mixed feelings about all this and would like your input .. should these two be executed ?.

should they spend the rest of their life in an indonesian jail .

should they be given an alternative sentence .?.

Kanon

I am anti-death penalty in almost all cases, exceptions would be in more brutal senseless killing, cop killing and the odd cause were the person desires to die (if he is mentally competent).

But for drug trafficking, big no. Sorry to say the only way to end the drug problem is to kill the demand. Harsh penalties really do nothing to even hinder it.

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Pioneers and New Releases!

by DwainBowman in

jw
friends

i forgot about thus until yesterday.. at the coming dc/ic this summer, pioneers are not allowed to get hard copies of new publacations!

elder & ms, and anyone else that wants one, can!.

stupid!.

Kanon

If this were true a letter would have leaked about it by now (all other letters do).

So they are denying the 70 year old pioneer sister who (cant afford a tablet) has been in the service since she was 16 accesses to a hard copy. I think not.

I have heard a lot of craziness said from the platform does not mean it is doctrine.

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Article-Guilty verdict in man’s gay sex with teen. "He's a 14-year-old gay boy in the JW church, which does not believe in his lifestyle"

by AndersonsInfo in

for your information: .

appeal democrat - yuba city, california .

http://www.appeal-democrat.com/news/guilty-verdict-in-man-s-gay-sex-with-teen/article_81fab302-a394-11e4-8efb-f70ca786d50e.html.

Kanon

Good, Man had sex with a 14 year old boy and was found guilty. That is some justice.

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First brand new Kingdom Hall built

by Kanon in

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friends

well if you check the new pay attention at the meeting video their hall is one of the 1st.

flat roof, lots of glass and a jw.org logo.

lucky them

Kanon

Well if you check the new pay attention at the meeting Video their hall is one of the 1st. Flat Roof, Lots of Glass and a JW.ORG Logo. Lucky them

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Elders in Spain Steal Millions from Congregation

by cappytan in

these men are appointed by holy spirit,.

here is the source: http://www.economiadigital.es/es/notices/2015/01/la-fiscalia-imputa-una-estafa-de-mas-de-170-millones-de-euros-a-una-congregacion-de-testigos-de-jeho-65161.php.

basically, if you don't know spanish, it boils down to this: (my personal editorial of what i've read).

Kanon

This is BS, there is so little work in Spain people can barely afforded to cover their needs yet alone donate that kind of money.

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TO THE STUPID ATHEISTS:

by atheist_R_stupid in

being that this is not "ex jws" and in fact, more driven by atheists talking a bunch of crap, im not even going to address you people like you know anything about jws because you dont.

nor am i going to assume you know the bible because none of you do.. and yes, im speaking down at you all because you men have actually went out your way to make a site to speak down at an entire group of people.

yet i bet you cant even handle a single uswer talking down at you, like you talk down about jws can you?.

Kanon

You seem very angry buddy, I think someone needs a cookie.

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CANDACE CONTI - MIXED EMOTIONS

by The Searcher in

whatever the outcome of the appeal, i fear that most of us are going to be very disappointed.. a) obviously if the org wins.. b) if the org loses, they will put their plan 'b' into action - damage limitation - which will iinvolve confidentiality agreements being signed by pending/future victims, thereby settling the majority of cases out of court, and winning in several ways;.

there are probably other benefits, but these are the principal ones, and for these reasons i reckon the floodgates will never be allowed to be opened!!!

they've seen how other establishments have responded to their pedophile cases, and have picked up some good tips on how to minimise the effects.

Kanon

I think this case and many others of late are total successes. Countries legal systems are showing less and less toleration to so-called rights of religions.

Examples

Letters, Elders book etc - Before the fact that these were confidential would have stood up in court. Now they are being forced to be made public and put on record.

Confessions of paedophiles - elders being forced to testify where before they could hide behind the confession privileged.

Little by the little the courts are saying that you will be held accountable for your actions the great defence of confidentiality is slowly evaporating.

The Conti case in particular I feel is the key that opened Pandora's box. I think it helped bring to light the Gonzalo Campos suits those have a lot more damming evidence.

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What I Saw & Heard in the Oral Argument Hearing on January 14, 2015

by ABibleStudent in

im not an attorney and i could not record the hearing, so please forgive me if i make mistakes in relating what i remember of the oral argument hearing for jane doe (i.e., candace conti) versus the watchtower bible & tract society on january 14, 2015 and the length of this post.. i arrived at the civic center/union plaza in san francisco, ca about 7:30. the area is very nice with a few homeless people sleeping in the park across from the courthouse.

it took me about 10 minutes to find the clerks office for the court on the first floor, which opened at 8:00.. once the clerks office opened, the two clerks who i talked with were very polite and helpful.

the arguments for jane doe (i.e., candace conti) versus the watchtower bible & tract society were scheduled 5th out of (i think) 8. while i was in the office a cameraman and another person for nbc arrived asking about the hearing for candace contis case.. the courtroom for the 1st appellate court is on the 4th floor and takes up most of that floor.

Kanon

I don't want to contradict Robert's detailed report since I wasn't there, but I have read the briefs (and am an attorney), and the only special relationship issue raised in the briefs was whether WTS and/or the congregation had a special relationship with Candace Conti (and to a lesser degree Kendrick), and not with each other.

Ok that makes more sense to me, although anyone who has had dealings knows the Org certainly considers itself to have a special relationship with any publisher of the good news. But I guess proving it with tangible evidence is a lot harder.

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What I Saw & Heard in the Oral Argument Hearing on January 14, 2015

by ABibleStudent in

im not an attorney and i could not record the hearing, so please forgive me if i make mistakes in relating what i remember of the oral argument hearing for jane doe (i.e., candace conti) versus the watchtower bible & tract society on january 14, 2015 and the length of this post.. i arrived at the civic center/union plaza in san francisco, ca about 7:30. the area is very nice with a few homeless people sleeping in the park across from the courthouse.

it took me about 10 minutes to find the clerks office for the court on the first floor, which opened at 8:00.. once the clerks office opened, the two clerks who i talked with were very polite and helpful.

the arguments for jane doe (i.e., candace conti) versus the watchtower bible & tract society were scheduled 5th out of (i think) 8. while i was in the office a cameraman and another person for nbc arrived asking about the hearing for candace contis case.. the courtroom for the 1st appellate court is on the 4th floor and takes up most of that floor.

Kanon

The Watchtower does not have a “special relationship” with the local congregation and is not responsible for how the elders conducted themselves.

Funny this is a far cry from their position in the Menlo park case where their attorneys said

And I say "organization." I am general counsel for the National Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses out of Brooklyn, New York. Ordinarily, I wouldn't be here, but this is one of our 13,000 congregations in the United States. We are a hierarchal religion structured just like the Catholic Church. And when the order from the Pope comes down in the church defrocking a priest and kicking him out, he no longer has any say in any matter in the local parish priest -- in the parish.