Posts by Kanon

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

Kanon

This is a perfect example of a double stance, and the major issues with the rank and file not seeing what is going on.

There public stance is - For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he cannot be a pioneer or serve in any other special, full-time service.—Compare the principle at Exodus 21:28, 29. (w97 1/1 pp. 28-29)

That is what all the rank and file know and why so many fight tooth and nail saying they don't appoint child molesters.
Then you have this secret letter that the rank and file have not seen, that says the complete opposite. That a child molester can with time be appointed or reappointed.

I do like the principle in Ex 21:28,29 but more interesting is vs 30 well the courts have imposed a ransom to be paid, yet they do not want to pay up.

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Why are we so hard on JW's??

by James Mixon in

jw
friends

i was thinking about this last night.

what would happen if.

someone new check out this site, what would they think?.

Kanon

I think it is because so many have been mistreated by people in the ORG (namely elders). Also coupled with a feeling of being robbed of a large part of ones life.

But I do agree with you no benefit on a personal level to harboring any hostility so anyone.

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Carbon-dating questions??

by DATA-DOG in

i recently heard a story from a jw about stupid scientists.

there was an awake article about archeaologist who found an ancient piece of art.

it was sent to a university for dating.

Kanon

From what I have read dating rock paintings is a lot more difficult, there are methods but I don't know how accurate they are.

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Bali Nine

by smiddy in

their are two australian guys scheduled for execution in indonesia in the very near future for drug smuggling , they were the ring leaders of seven others involved.this happened a number of years ago when the australian authourities notified their indonesian counterparts that drugs were to be smuggled out of indonesia into australia by australian citizens .. some argue , why didn` t the australian authourities simply arrest these people on arrival in australia where no capital punishment is on the agenda .. by all accounts they have now been on death row for many years and have turned their lives around , being role models to other prisoners and changing their lives .. i personally have mixed feelings about all this and would like your input .. should these two be executed ?.

should they spend the rest of their life in an indonesian jail .

should they be given an alternative sentence .?.

Kanon

I am anti-death penalty in almost all cases, exceptions would be in more brutal senseless killing, cop killing and the odd cause were the person desires to die (if he is mentally competent).

But for drug trafficking, big no. Sorry to say the only way to end the drug problem is to kill the demand. Harsh penalties really do nothing to even hinder it.

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Pioneers and New Releases!

by DwainBowman in

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friends

i forgot about thus until yesterday.. at the coming dc/ic this summer, pioneers are not allowed to get hard copies of new publacations!

elder & ms, and anyone else that wants one, can!.

stupid!.

Kanon

If this were true a letter would have leaked about it by now (all other letters do).

So they are denying the 70 year old pioneer sister who (cant afford a tablet) has been in the service since she was 16 accesses to a hard copy. I think not.

I have heard a lot of craziness said from the platform does not mean it is doctrine.

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Article-Guilty verdict in man’s gay sex with teen. "He's a 14-year-old gay boy in the JW church, which does not believe in his lifestyle"

by AndersonsInfo in

for your information: .

appeal democrat - yuba city, california .

http://www.appeal-democrat.com/news/guilty-verdict-in-man-s-gay-sex-with-teen/article_81fab302-a394-11e4-8efb-f70ca786d50e.html.

Kanon

Good, Man had sex with a 14 year old boy and was found guilty. That is some justice.

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First brand new Kingdom Hall built

by Kanon in

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friends

well if you check the new pay attention at the meeting video their hall is one of the 1st.

flat roof, lots of glass and a jw.org logo.

lucky them

Kanon

Well if you check the new pay attention at the meeting Video their hall is one of the 1st. Flat Roof, Lots of Glass and a JW.ORG Logo. Lucky them

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Elders in Spain Steal Millions from Congregation

by cappytan in

these men are appointed by holy spirit,.

here is the source: http://www.economiadigital.es/es/notices/2015/01/la-fiscalia-imputa-una-estafa-de-mas-de-170-millones-de-euros-a-una-congregacion-de-testigos-de-jeho-65161.php.

basically, if you don't know spanish, it boils down to this: (my personal editorial of what i've read).

Kanon

This is BS, there is so little work in Spain people can barely afforded to cover their needs yet alone donate that kind of money.

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TO THE STUPID ATHEISTS:

by atheist_R_stupid in

being that this is not "ex jws" and in fact, more driven by atheists talking a bunch of crap, im not even going to address you people like you know anything about jws because you dont.

nor am i going to assume you know the bible because none of you do.. and yes, im speaking down at you all because you men have actually went out your way to make a site to speak down at an entire group of people.

yet i bet you cant even handle a single uswer talking down at you, like you talk down about jws can you?.

Kanon

You seem very angry buddy, I think someone needs a cookie.

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CANDACE CONTI - MIXED EMOTIONS

by The Searcher in

whatever the outcome of the appeal, i fear that most of us are going to be very disappointed.. a) obviously if the org wins.. b) if the org loses, they will put their plan 'b' into action - damage limitation - which will iinvolve confidentiality agreements being signed by pending/future victims, thereby settling the majority of cases out of court, and winning in several ways;.

there are probably other benefits, but these are the principal ones, and for these reasons i reckon the floodgates will never be allowed to be opened!!!

they've seen how other establishments have responded to their pedophile cases, and have picked up some good tips on how to minimise the effects.

Kanon

I think this case and many others of late are total successes. Countries legal systems are showing less and less toleration to so-called rights of religions.

Examples

Letters, Elders book etc - Before the fact that these were confidential would have stood up in court. Now they are being forced to be made public and put on record.

Confessions of paedophiles - elders being forced to testify where before they could hide behind the confession privileged.

Little by the little the courts are saying that you will be held accountable for your actions the great defence of confidentiality is slowly evaporating.

The Conti case in particular I feel is the key that opened Pandora's box. I think it helped bring to light the Gonzalo Campos suits those have a lot more damming evidence.