Posts by Paris

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Hello, semi long intro!

by Moses Joe in

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i was raised as a jehovahs witness.

currently i still am part of a congregation, which i gather is also the case for many who come here.

i no longer consider them god's chosen people.

Paris

with all the right tools and I found that yes, there is no hell, no soul, the earth will abide forever, all creation reconciled to perfection, a small group going to heaven and a much larger group on earth, it is indeed fact that the bible doesn't support the trinity doctrine

Moses , you are on the right track, but prepared to challenge even these deeply held beliefs I qouted above from your post. Please find yourself a copy of Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz, who sat on the governing body, download it in PDF format for free or buy it in paperback , but read it, to free your mind from the False Prophet of the Watchtower and seven men who tell you they are the sole channel of communication with God and in doing so they make themselves the Man of Lawlessness standing in the Holy Place since only Jesus Christ is the mediator between you and Jehovah, no men needed. No organization mentioned in the Bible and no "classes" mentioned either.

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Debunking the Bible

by Coded Logic in

there seems to be an endless number of ways to show the bible is not devinely inspired but all of it seems so complicated.

anyone know any simple arguements for this?

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Paris

Well guys, I hate to break this to you, but there are many many beautiful scriptures like the 23rd Psalm.

Psalm 23 Jubilee Bible 2000 (JUB)

A Psalm of David.

23 ¶ The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

2 He makes me to lie down in green pastures; he leads me beside the still waters.

3 He restores my soul: he leads me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake.

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil:

for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff shall comfort me.

5 Thou shalt prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;

thou hast anointed my head with oil; my cup is running over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life:

and I will rest in the house of the LORD for ever.

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Today's WT study! So hypocritical!

by stuckinarut2 in

so today's study is all about being kindly, and not judgemental to those in the congregation....we don't know their circumstances etc.... i can't believe the hypocrisy being spewed out...both in the article and by means of the answers from the audience!.

we know the reality is so different!

unless a witness does everything exactly as the gb directs...in every aspects of life, they are effectively no longer a good person, but are viewed as spiritually lacking or weak..... they are going directly beyond the biblical directives, and being ones who condemn, rather than ones who commend!.

Paris

Since I left the organization, I have been in and around, several different churches and what I realized is that they don't have to sit and group-read articles and fake answers ,out of underlined paragraphs, to know the whole point of Christianity is love.

Just real love and compassion, its a simple message, its not advanced theology or complicated, treat others as you would like to be treated, help those in need, forgive people, overlook their faults. Why is this big news to JW's ?

Nobody but Cults do the shunning thing. Its pretty much the mark of a Cult. Real Churches in Christendom, even go a step further and feed the poor and collect clothes and help distressed people and see these actions as the work of Christianity, something entirely lost on the JW mindset. Jehovah's Witnesess, are the most unloving, judgemental, self righteous, and most likely to abandon you, people, I ever came across. Cold hearted and spiritually dead. And yet the GB keeps telling them they are in "Spiritual Paradise". A spiritual Desert is a more accurate description. As they all sit there like Zombies during the Memorial. Its all so creepy.

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Surprise Surprise. Got a letter from bethel today.,

by label licker in

Paris

Basic Rules of all liars, all decievers, all self righteous False Prophets:

(1) Never accept blame

(2) Never flinch when lying

(3) Never say your sorry for lying, decieveing and hurting others

(4) Always shift blame to others

(5) When confronted with your own wrong doing, Shame, Blame, and point the finger

at anyone who caught you lying, calling them names like "apostate"

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Half Of US Can't Come Up With $400

by metatron in

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http://wealthydebates.com/half-americans-cant-come-400/.

there are a number of such observations being recently made - such as a large number with debts subject to collection and people facing retirement with no savings.. i advise the wts to 'take the money and run'.

hard to see this situation getting better.. .

Paris

My solution is to have three bank accounts. One I live on. One I put tax return money and extra bonus money in and never touch it, the third collects a small monthly income and I let it accumulate and only use it in absolute emergencies, for gifts and once a year that is my vacation money. I only carry a bank card on the main account and treat the other two as if they do not exist. I also never buy anything I cannot pay cash for. I have always lived below my means. I try to avoid stress this way. As far as pensions go, teachers retire on a government pension that is 80% of their working income. Government pensions are the safest, and most generous, unless you are a high level Banker of course.

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What would you do if JW's lifted the shunning policy?

by bsand20 in

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have you guys asked yourself that question?

what if the gb decided that "new light" revealed to them that disfellowshipping was wrong and they would do away with it for current dfd members as well...... .......16 years of my life.

would i welcome my family back?

Paris

People in every family, every dysfunctional family that is, (and thats what the JW's are, a dysfunctional family), will shun certain members who are whistle blowers, or question the family mythology or expose family secrets, they close ranks and turn their backs and thats any dysfunctional group, religious and non -religious.

It happens in political groups in organizations and in academia as well, in every, us-against-them mindset. Then add to that, the ability to absolve yourself of responsibilty, by claiming you are serving some "higher cause" and obeying a superior way of thinking and justifying your appalling actions as virtuous,and you have the worst that human kind produces and we see it everywhere.

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What would you do if JW's lifted the shunning policy?

by bsand20 in

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friends

have you guys asked yourself that question?

what if the gb decided that "new light" revealed to them that disfellowshipping was wrong and they would do away with it for current dfd members as well...... .......16 years of my life.

would i welcome my family back?

Paris

Its hard. When injustices are done to you and you suffer, people tell you to "move on". Some are able to compartmentalize their emotions and brains.

Often those that did these things, do not apologize. Even if they later change their behavior. The WT is famous for never apologizing. 16 years is a whole childhood for children you may have been separated from. Its hard. Its cruel. No doubt. Many will advise forgiveness, to forgive and forget. Even parents of murdered children have "forgiven" the murderer and I think this kind of forgiveness is to stop the pain. We all want things labelled "closure" and reconciliation or even a chance to relive our own lives, its the ongoing theme of literature and movies and art. Something inside that wants completion, justice, resolution, and end to sadness and separation.

Daydreaming can occupy useful time, may be you can write letters to your lost loved ones and at least tell them how you have been affected. It could be someone in your family might respond, you never know. Hardness sits like a dark lump and resentment often spills out on others in mean little ways, being clear and unburdened is freeing, letting go in a positive way, without grudges, if that is possible.

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The Reason Why JWs Won't Leave The Cult Is Because They Won't Think!

by minimus in

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they simply refuse to think, to reason, to ponder.

they are lazy!.

even if they might feel that something isn't right, they won't research an issue or a question.

Paris

I am disallusioned about the human race in general.. Delusion seems pretty wide spread ... Example, lots of middle aged women and men, with NO education or qualification have decided to become "Healers". They freely dispense Herbal,"holistic" "natural" "Cures" and medical advice and claim they are "spiritual" and have all manner of "healing circles", meditation groups and conduct their own personal versions of Yoga, in classes that injure people becaues the teacher hasn't a clue as to what they is doing. They become "nutritional supplement advisors", in Heath Stores. Instead of looking at failed opportunities and wasted lives, these people find hope and place, in delusion.

Religions with lots of rules and doctrines, are all delusional and convinced of their own "rightness". A special delusion is found in close knit groups. Remaining in the "Trance" of being a self assured Jehovah's Witness is far easier than facing reality and trying to find a new way to live and connect in this world. Social connections are built up over years and some feel "safe" and at home, and are shallow thinkers to begin with. Its only those who are honest and actually analyze and think deeply about things who suffer the pain of realizing what a huge mistake they made, how deceptive the GB is, or what a Cult the WT really is. In spite of knowing its a phony delusion, the effort of leaving is just too much for many.

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Ferguson Shooting (Is my thinking on this all wrong.......)

by out4good3 in

i think everyone here can agree that walking down the street, even in the middle of the street, is not cause for having a clip emptied in your ass......... i can understand how the black community would be outraged by the injustice of seeing another black man dead in the street at the hands of the police under mysterious circumstances....... i hope that i'm not succumbing to the attempts to assinate the already well impuned character of the dead man...... however.

i can't help but think that this could all have been avoided by exercising the proper discretion with fore-knowledge of the disadvantages people of color have when they are dealing with law enforcement in the united states.

it is not as if this disadvantage has only since recently came to light.

Paris

Please understand me, I do not sanction killing someone for stealing anything.

I realize there is racism and its an American legacy from slavery and it infects many countries. This particular cop ended up in the hospital. He shot this large strong man, possibly in self defense. He should have diabled him, downed him without killing him. But I do not see any video of what happened and there must be a police-car camera that recorded it, I hope. No witnesses ? Tazered him ? Something other than killing him, and was the cop alone ? And why would the cop be alone? If this man had a rap sheet of violence ? Many missing pieces to this.

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Ferguson Shooting (Is my thinking on this all wrong.......)

by out4good3 in

i think everyone here can agree that walking down the street, even in the middle of the street, is not cause for having a clip emptied in your ass......... i can understand how the black community would be outraged by the injustice of seeing another black man dead in the street at the hands of the police under mysterious circumstances....... i hope that i'm not succumbing to the attempts to assinate the already well impuned character of the dead man...... however.

i can't help but think that this could all have been avoided by exercising the proper discretion with fore-knowledge of the disadvantages people of color have when they are dealing with law enforcement in the united states.

it is not as if this disadvantage has only since recently came to light.

Paris

Video shows Michael Brown, 6ft 4inches, 350 pounds, walking into a convenience store, in front of other people, grabbing boxes of smokes and bullying his way out of the store and the small little store owner goes after him and Michael, towering above him, shoves the store owner hard and knocks him against some display. Michael then turns and physically threatens the little man and intimidates him with his sheer size. This is not some innocent little boy who is wandering down the street minding his own business, Michael is a bully and a brazen thief who uses his huge size to get what he wants. Later he also injured a cop, putting him in the hospital, who then shot him during the struggle. Lots of black people in that store, nobody having any trouble except Michael.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhA36PDkC8c