Posts by sowhatnow

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why did man go from living 900 years to 90?

by sowhatnow in

i cant recall the scripture, where it says than only a few men will he live to be 80 years or so, can anyone recall that?.

so then im wondering, if it is a fact that men lived long years 900 in some cases, for what reason would god limit our lifespan if our time is so short compared to his?.

how on earth does man go from living 8 and 9 hundred years down to 80 to 100 ?.

sowhatnow

if the rate of aging was increased from 900 to 80 or 90 when the bible books were still being written, then by now we all should be extinct. lol.

but as history shows, many ancient societies, lived very short lives, due to disease death from pregnancy and giving birth, being hunted by animals, and hardships finding food, and shelter.

most age expectancy to 35 to 50 at the highest. now we are living longer again.

please , gods_ kingdom, where does the bible tell us when the 100 yr reign begins, and ends,

and where does it say that only resurrected ones will be in it? does the bible say people live 'through' the great war of God the almighty? people always will live through tribulation. [ since Armageddon is not an event, it is a place, so thats like saying were going to live through canada, lol.]

what I understand is that only [ the apostles] 12 will rule with him to judge the twelve tribes of Israel.

Matthew 19

28 Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man is seated on the throne of his glory, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

revelation 20 vs says those who were given the authority to judge....[ there is no number of thrones mentioned here yet the 12 thrones are assumed, since it is stated that those who sit on them are judges].

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years

see from what i understand, the bible tells us that Jesus was only a savior and mediator for the Israelites. jesus said go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. not anyone else. [no where does the bible tell us that jesus ended the law code]. we are not then followers of the mosaic law. so we are not under it.

Thank the Lord, lol

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Yesterday's Watchtower, Bible Comments

by freemindfade in

the whole meeting for me was nauseating yesterday... the talk was on "science".. nuff said... then the watchtower, they are just spinning in circles patting themselves on the back lately it seems, but this is one thing that really stuck out to me.. i heard the comment multiple times about how the 2013 version of nwt made things "easier to understand" "simpler" and so on.

this has been one of my main beefs with yhwh and his book.

this is supposedly the tool for mankind to all live or die based on whether or not they:.

sowhatnow

my mom says to me, when i tell her the bible has been changed, "oh come on, you mean to tell me that God cant preserve his word? yor nuts God made sure his word was preserved" shes being sarcastic yet dumb.

what ill tell her next time she says that is 'well apparently not since over the centuries its been 'simplified" so much by mankind because evidently were all too stupid to figure it out on our own.lol

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is the current WT teaching that all prior to jesus death will not go to heaven?

by sowhatnow in

if so would that not make matthew ch 17 vs 3 [transfiguration] a bit confusing to explain?

i mean, where did they come from?

the grave?

sowhatnow

hebrews 11...

maybe not, my mother would say 'just because they were 'looking' for a heavenly kingdom doesn't mean that's what they were going to be given" lol

but vs 13 is interesting, it says they are foreigners ON EARTH.

13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth.

wow, we can run with that one.

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which ones? just these ones! and no partaking mentioned.hmm

by sowhatnow in

here in matthew chapter 19 jesus tells a man the commandments he has to do to gain life... which apparently did not include partaking of his flesh and blood.

so this means that this man could have everlasting life and not partake of the emblems.

they knew not of them.

sowhatnow

here in Matthew chapter 19 Jesus tells a man the commandments he has to do to gain life... which apparently did not include partaking of his flesh and blood. so this means that this man could have everlasting life and not partake of the emblems. they knew not of them.

16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”

17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

18 “Which ones?” he inquired.

Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[c] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”

now surely if there were more, Jesus would have said so right?

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is the current WT teaching that all prior to jesus death will not go to heaven?

by sowhatnow in

if so would that not make matthew ch 17 vs 3 [transfiguration] a bit confusing to explain?

i mean, where did they come from?

the grave?

sowhatnow

if so would that not make Matthew ch 17 vs 3 [transfiguration] a bit confusing to explain? I mean, where did they come from? the grave?

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OMG once and for all, whats this idea of a three fold prophesy??

by sowhatnow in

well it happened again, i got annoyed at my mom telling me all about the co visit , and i couldn't help myself, i said' oh god mom its like the pope is visiting, all that info can be told with the regular elders you don't need 'special' people .. subjects ensue,.

she says 'your misled, your so wrong, no one else on the planet has the beliefs that we do, we are the only ones with the truth, i dont follow men, bla bla.. , 40 minuets... , misquotes all over the place, isaiah this and that, yada yada ' j"vah has to have an earthy organization to give us the proper food, bla bla.

i say ' no jesus is gods mediator, we don't need men and were told not to listen to men for they are imperfect.

sowhatnow

oh yea, I was asking her if she remembers just studying her watchtower lessons with the type anti type nonsense. she says to me, oh your just reading those to find fault. lol so no matter what we loose right?

no longer can i 'read those' and be found righteous , lol then of course she defaults to the old " you are just looking for a reason to not go out door to door, you never liked it , you never liked meetings, bla bla.

yea thats why i went and gee the holy spirit must have been drunk then to 'lead me' to be baptized, lol. yea the holy spirit was drunk when 'it' let my soon to be x become ministerial servant when I knew what he was really like.

shes still teaching the three prophesy fulfillment bullcrap to her bible study! she has her own teachings,lol

I wont hold my breath waiting for her to find 'the time' to look up scriptures. and kalk ill have to look into that info.

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OMG once and for all, whats this idea of a three fold prophesy??

by sowhatnow in

well it happened again, i got annoyed at my mom telling me all about the co visit , and i couldn't help myself, i said' oh god mom its like the pope is visiting, all that info can be told with the regular elders you don't need 'special' people .. subjects ensue,.

she says 'your misled, your so wrong, no one else on the planet has the beliefs that we do, we are the only ones with the truth, i dont follow men, bla bla.. , 40 minuets... , misquotes all over the place, isaiah this and that, yada yada ' j"vah has to have an earthy organization to give us the proper food, bla bla.

i say ' no jesus is gods mediator, we don't need men and were told not to listen to men for they are imperfect.

sowhatnow

well it happened again, i got annoyed at my mom telling me all about the CO visit , and i couldn't help myself, i said' oh god mom its like the pope is visiting, all that info can be told with the regular elders you don't need 'special' people .

subjects ensue,

she says 'your misled, your so wrong, no one else on the planet has the beliefs that we do, we are the only ones with the truth, I dont follow men, bla bla.

, 40 minuets... , misquotes all over the place, isaiah this and that, yada yada ' j"vah has to have an earthy organization to give us the proper food, bla bla. i say ' no jesus is Gods mediator, we don't need men and were told not to listen to men for they are imperfect.'

and then the big one she ends with....

"the bibles prophesies have a three fold fulfillment." so she says. then she says 'im not arguing with you anymore my heat breaks for you.' and she says goodbye. [meanwhile ill be there at her house painting tomorrow]

someone tell me what scriptures any JW has ever used to support that?

i told her I want the scriptures to back it up. well you know, Ive said that half a dozen times with no results.

i want to be ready for that is she brings it up.

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(Not)Preaching advice

by paradisebeauty in

jw
friends

having recently had an "awakening" - not from reading awake .... i realize i can not preach doctrines i do not believe anymore .

but i do not want the elders to start following my every move, because i also have plans to check other christian denominations.. so i am thinking, should i chat for an hour or two with an old visit and report the hours, should i tell the elders i have some doubts and i do not want to preach for now or should i just stop reporting and avoid the elders attempts to talk to me?

what do you think is the best sollution to get away with this?

sowhatnow

ok, heres what to do. on every other Sunday after the meeting, then every third Sunday a month, then once a month, then every 5 sundays, ect till you dont go out anymore.

'meet' for service, tell the lead out that your doing returns on the way home, and go home. report one hour a month.

you can do the same with meetings. phase out.

if anyone said to me 'oh you missed a good talk"

Id say , 'oh i listened in on the phone tie in'

who knows if i did or not? i did that a lot in winter, i do not drive in winter at night.

the more excuses you make the less people tend to bother with you, because your 'an excuse maker' and not worth their time.

for about a year or two, i left fairly quickly after the meeting, maybe saying hello to one or two people on my way out.

nothing. Im not missed

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why did man go from living 900 years to 90?

by sowhatnow in

i cant recall the scripture, where it says than only a few men will he live to be 80 years or so, can anyone recall that?.

so then im wondering, if it is a fact that men lived long years 900 in some cases, for what reason would god limit our lifespan if our time is so short compared to his?.

how on earth does man go from living 8 and 9 hundred years down to 80 to 100 ?.

sowhatnow

pokerplayerphil I dont think any of us really wants to live for 900 years, do we? particularly if we age at a rate equal to the age rate for us now, that might mean that for 200 years we would be senior citizens.

god 200 years limping around or with arthritis.

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How hard is it to attend a congregation outside of the territory where you live? Consequences for doing so.

by hoser in

jw
friends

i need to change congregation but stay living in the same place.

any experience with this.

sowhatnow

and while you move into another hall, you can hope they loose your publisher card, like mine was ,

still misplaced as far as I know. hopefully it was tossed it out.

no one knows where i am or what im up to.

the only way the elders 'care' is if you 'work' for them ms or elder or pio.

then its a loss to their personal record keeping, and someone for assignments.

anyway, if any one had ever questioned me on that, Id simply ask them for the scriptures to back up the 'rule' [bible based teaching] that we need to go were we are assigned.

[believe me, id be left alone after that request]