Posts by sowhatnow

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should i marry and have a child with my partner

by stevepill in

hi, iv'e been a regular observer on this site for a while and would be very grateful for input from witnessess and non-witnessess.

ti widll try keep it brief to avoid too much reading!.

background:.

sowhatnow

this is a discussion you need to have before you get any more involved.

if this discussion becomes heated or uncomfortable, I do advise that you walk away.

as hard as it may seem, all the concerns that you have are real, and this is what women call intuition.

shes trying to trap you into a permanant relationship. dont think for a moment that she doesnt have it in the back of her mind tha tyou will follow her

no matter where she goes. when she has a child, If any of her relatives[or close freinds] are witnesses you better believe she will go to the kingdom hall. Ive lived this expereince. thats where her support will come from.

you have to be on the same page from the get go, so that you both are in agreement about raising children.

tread carefully.

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New Leaflet to give to JW about TTATT

by TJ Curioso in

hi to all my fellows "apostates" in all world... especially in e.u.a.

and uk.. as some of you already know, ex-jw in portugal created a leaflet especialy to send to jw in all the country (individualy or to congregations).

we must say that it was a sucess from the point of view of the impact originated.

sowhatnow

oh my , but we cant be seen with such apostate lituriture! well be misled! oh your so bad though, wanting followers of your own thinking, lies lies.....

and starting your own religion,

my mother would throw garlic at me ,

lol

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How would you answer?

by punkofnice in

a friend of mine (who is waking up), recently had the elders do a sheep herding visit.. they were browbeating my friend about attending meetings.

my friend has been ill and unable to attend anyway.. what response would you give to this garbage?.

if we were in a house and it was on fire and we couldnt walk we would have to crawl.. an example of a sister with an iron lung was brought up to show that if shes in this condition, we need to examine ourselves.

sowhatnow

wow what bullying. so they have went there not to see how she is doing and ask if they can help, they went for no other reason than to see why shes not in attendance.

what happened to al lthe articles about how were NOT supposed to compare ourselves to others? that we all have different levels of abilities and emotional makeup? that were supposed to be supportive NOT accusitory? all the good in the messages go out the window huh?

the lack of empathy and human logic that so many people have developed from these twisted teachings boggles my mind. and oh

yes I have heard from the platform, using the ONE scripture about not forsking the gathering , bla bla bla, taking it way out of context

as the command to be at meetings. fear monger much?

wow a command from a simple follower of jesus. i thought only God could make commands? who said this was a command? its no command.

maybe from the org. and gee, scientology much?

she doesnt need any more emotional bullying from men and thier warped reasoning. she doesnt have to answer the door or the phone. what are they going to do about it?

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My jw mum threw us out.

by abbasgreta in

my brother (non-jw but became a christian 6 months ago) and i nursed my aged jw mother back to a semblance of strength over the last three weeks.. the elders were happy to pass the buck on to me, her da'd daughter and my bro.. he has been living with her for 3 months and has transformed her ill-kept home and garden and literally nursed her like a professional alone.

before i stepped in to help him care for her.

he repeatedly told her how much he loved her and was so caring, it brought a lump to my throat.. he has been going to church sunday mornings, telling her he 'was meeting up with friends' so as not to cause friction.but she knew where he had been.. we noticed a shift in her demeanour towards us (she knows i'm a church-goer) over the week-end and she started to.

sowhatnow

I feel so bad for all those who like myself have aged parents to have to deal with. Id say that you have been left no choice but to send her to a aged care home, shes a threat to your safety. and probably hers, as if she tries to strike someone with that cane she can fall or break a bone. no one should be abused by anyone no matter how old they are. no parent in thier right mind would want to see thier children grow up to be subjected to such a burden.

i hope your brother doesnt take it personally, nor you, but no matter its so hard on everyone involved. my heart goes out to you two.

My parents are age 73 and 75, they are both constantly critical of everyone, and crabby to the hilt. I get sick thinking about what I m going to do with my paarents, my younger brother and sister [not jws] and I are not in a position to care for them, we all have health issues and all three of us are in relationships with people who my parents critisize and are not comfortable with.

my sister spends the most time with my parents, and she sees how bad my parents mental state is.

shes so stressed about it shes beside herself as to what to do.

I myself have often thought that Id certainly be off the caretaker list the moment I send a letter to the elder body resigning from the jw faith.

would that be selfish? but id probaby not be so lucky my mother is a preaching pest, shed not let me go.

I have been a jw most of my life[age 5] and im 52 now. but now not being at meetings for about 7 months Im still off the radar.so i can pull the letter 'card' out If I wanted to. and at least for the time being my mother would have to 'listen' to the elders and not talk to me.

but honestly my mother and dad depend on me so much I doubt that shed follow protocol anyway shed find a way to use my father as a reason to have me helping them, shed say ' well my husband is not a baptised JW so if he calls her I cant do anyting about it'. she always used my dad this way. and yet claims shes such a christain. oh well, lol, who is huh?

my husband who is not a jw says my parents are not moving in with us no matter what. my mother wouldnt anyway, she feels uncomfortable around him to begin with. Id love for my parents to sighn a do not recusitate order to carry in thier wallet, for one thing my father has a badheart to begin with, and my mothers mind is already showing signs of alzheimers. I watched my grandmother with that desease, and i cant go through that.

I feel strongly the reason we have all these aged people living in misery is becasue the medical establishment keeps bringing them back to life whe n they should have passed on, so they can make millions off them.

and in the mean time they are destroying families, all the children whos parents are taking care of mentally disabled wheelchair ridden adults instead of spending joyfull days with thier children and grandchildren , makes me very angry.

that so many of us go from taking care of children, possible also working full time, straight to taking care of crabby ass parents or husbands or wives , and have never had a moment to do anything enjoyable for ourselves.

really then what point is life?

however,

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Prediction of large drop in JW numbers in 2014

by VM44 in

i am going to make the prediction, here and now in mid 2006, that there will be a significant drop in the number of jehovah's witnesses in the year 2014, the one hundredth anniversary of 1914.. the only way this drop in numbers might be avoided is if the watchtower society can think up some way to stir up the rank and file and get them motivated to do more, like they did with the 1975 fiasco.. .

i doubt very much that the watchtower magazine is going to proclaim loudly in the year 2014 anything about the "generation of 1914" not passing away.. --vm44

sowhatnow

hey guys, my aunt in florida who is a jw said they will not be having any more two day assemblies. hmm

and lol, one eyed joe, elders are after all supposed to be elder 'ly' right?

who ever would request a person under the age of 40 be an 'elder' is an idiot. the village elders were the older men who had the knowlege of the tribal

rituals, probably not much else, they certainly werent sitting behind a curtain listening to sins..

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The Worst Way of Living

by Coded Logic in

the unexamined life is not worth living.. -socrates.

holding all of humanity in contempt and degrading every achievement of mankind as being insignificant is not a philosophy or a worldview worth having.

tell me, oh self righteous jw, what was the price of your integrity?

sowhatnow

the thing i am most depressed about though is now that I now the bible is a bunch of misinterpreted and often exagerated stories , with no real basis for truth, I fear every day of breathing my last breath and not having the time to re claim my last 32 years of my adulthood. as i sit here having no ability to live the life I wanted to have the chance to live, stuck in a loveless routine marraige. all my energy wasted denying my self all the things i wished i could do but was told not to. who hires a 52 yr old housewife with no skills accept cooking and cleaning? no one.

30 years a watchtower slave could be the title of my book too.

at age 52 even though Im not a sickly person, you never know how much time we have left. all we do is work and pay bills and have so little time to enjoy anything, and live in cosntant anxiety for our children. and then death comes.

after that there is nothing.

so the question still remains for all of the worlds humans struggling to find peace of mind

is this all there is to life? whats the point if each day can be our last? why even be here? makes no sense.

and this is why so many choose to ignore the facts, they are too painful.

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Anyone else notice the new Terms of Use on jw.org?

by leaving_quietly in

i first noticed it today... slides up at the bottom.

i wonder why they felt the need to do this?

this is just silly for a religious website..

sowhatnow

what about when they did it? im not on that site its depressing

is tha t the same as copying and pasting info if you want?

can you even copy and paste from that site?

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses THAT Bad?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i'm not fond of any religious fanatic.

islamic fundies can be downright crazy.

mormonism seems silly to me.

sowhatnow

satan can fool 7 men and 7 million people too. thats what we were warned about. do not look to mens reasoning. they stand in oposition to God.

I figure, IF jesus parable is to be misinterpreted as a prophesy, and If in 1919 he appointed them,

he would have to approve of the teachings at THAT time would he not? at the time of 1919 the organization leaders were racist, involved in government

and had many many teachings that today jws would consider apostate.

so, was jesus wrong? no, because he would never overstep His Father, and place an earthly organization in the postition of being a mediator for him which is what the GOVERNING BODY claims they are, for they outright claim to have the only way to the truth, not to mention none of the apostles writtings mentions any earthly organization then or in the future.

I suppose the truth was Jesus.

if we are to believe the bible, which i am researching now,

Jesus is ruling, not jehovah. the kingdom was his reward, he is our judge, yet the wt society has replaced jesus with the governing body for who to look t o for salvation, therefore they are looking for worship for themselves, and the fact that people defend them, makes it wall the more obvious. they make claims, and put themselves on high, and are guilty of claiming to be like a god.

jws are not supposed to follow moses law, they are not ancient israelites .

the law does not apply to anyone accept those who choose to observe the law of moses. are jws going back in time? to do the old burdensome law and claim Jesus came for nothing? then one must observe all of the mosaic laws and there were hundreds.

I thought Jesus had fulfilled the law, so man would no longer have to live under these heavy burdens.

7 million is a small number, half of those 7 million are probably baptised children, who have no idea what they are doing.

baptism is for mature adults, Jesus was 30 before he got baptised, and he was supposedly perfect. only for numbers do the society push children to be baptised. shame shame on them.

if I did not see all those satanic subliminal drawings in thier lituriture myself, Id have never believed it. and guess what, i found one in the lastest november wt magazine. in the basement scene , which by the way is a frightening bunch of propaganda, that will drive children away.

its an organization that takes advantage of humble weak sheep like people who follow the 'crowd' out of fear, even if that crowd is going the wrong way

jesus warned his apostles that after he left there would be men who would come and mislead even the chosen ones.

and the apostle paul 50 plus years later did just that, claimed to be sent by jesus, set up churches ,in the name of Jesus, and led people after him and away from the simple kingdom, of God, and the free worship Jesus rewarded us with. any man made organization is in oposition to Gods arrangement

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Come on! Tell it like it is. People are LYING when they tell you, "I've read the Bible."

by Terry in

go ahead.

tell me.. "i've read the bible cover to cover.

i don't believe you.. it is damned near impossible!.

sowhatnow

ok,

so now some of us have read the whole bible, over again too, and how did that change our life? other that to put me to sleep or give me an anxiety attack,

I cant remember most of what I read.

I cant recall half the movies i ever saw, let alone remember a book that mostly has no application to my personal daily life.

what benefits me from the bible, might be a page or two of chosen wise sayings. do unto others, love everyone, forgive, and dont kill

bla bla.

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Depression and Faith

by Joe Grundy in

this is only jw (should that be jw.org now?

) related in that it is connected with religious faith which dominates a person's life.

but many similarities, i feel.. i never was a dub, was raised in a 'gospel hall' tradition, have been for many years an agnostic/atheist and am a fairly cynical/suspicious individual as befits an ex-30 year detective.

sowhatnow

its really something to have faith and depression in the same scentence isnt it?

it is sad that he feels so unfulfilled. has he expressed what he, in a perfect world, would like to have 'permission' to do?

it seems hes been doing more than a normal person should be expected to do. the fact that anyone needs to be on pills to cope means they are coping with too many things and feel inadequate. it seems like his family situation alone would overwhelm someone, let alone take on the emotional weight of others. does he not feel worthy? is this ministry of his a way of escaping the pain of his losses and struggles? or does he feel an obligation?

maybe its the guilt that is catching up with him, and hes tired. he needs to know its ok to refocus. he getting worn out and yes he needs a break.

can you imagine knowing from the day your child is diagnosed with a condition like autism that you will never be free from the burden of this sort of human being? never have privacy with your wife? always having interupted plans, and having to include in every choice you make, this child and his condition?

this is why so many adults with autism must be put in an assited living group home, because the parents get overwhelmed and literally go nuts. we arent made to have to care for our kids till we die. I know of a couple who had a son with a handicap, adn when they got to be in thier 50s they had to put him in a group home because they physically had thier own health problems and couldnt help him anymore. and the mother passed away, and the son still lives in the group home away form his father and sisters. it wears on a person. it can destroy a persons mental state. as can seeing the injustice in the world especially the military.

Id say, if he hasnt already done so,

he so needs to not feel guilty and needs to step away from this 'ministry' hes doing, and minister to his own family and himself,

and feel proud doing it. thats enough burden.

we cant all save the world single handed and to me we all think we can. As a wife, Id feel pretty cheated if my husband sent his valuable time and emotional checking account on others all the time and not on our relationship . having an autistic child is a full time emotionally and physically draining situation. sometimes thats all we can deal with, nothing more should be expected of a couple. where is the help for them?

[Im sure your aware of how some anti depressant drugs make a condition worse. they also make some people suiciidal and overweight. Ive seen it. once you get on those things your on them for life, they slowly destroy your energy, you sex life, then your body[liver kidney] and brain. I have wittnesed this in the past. ive learned much t from research , some found from cchr.org] Id advise somehow him getting off of them. no one should have to submit to chemicals to cope with life.

is it possible hes seeking your advice and approval ? does he feel his faith is in question because he feels like a failure or like he doesnt deserve help too?

does he feel his believes have failed him? what does his wife wish for him to do? she has the right to have him whole for her.

maybe he came to you perhaps becasue he sees how your life went on despite the non belief in a God. your still breathing and your life seems no worse off than before? maybe he feels you have some key to sanity.

would he feel relieved if he knew that we do not, and never will, understand a book like the bible, and for any man to interpret it and expect someone else to live by those interpritations is simply working for nothing but the apporoval of those who ingterpreted it, and he need not continue down the path of self loathing? that we dont need a bible to tell us how to be a good help to others? i think,

faith is what we have , when we belive. I do not believe in weak faith, you either have faith or not. all it is is believeing jesus died for us. thats it as far as im concerned.

perhaps he would like to read the book, in search of christain freedom by ray franz. he needs to be free of the guilt , the expectations, the anxieties , no matter what ather persons think he should be thinking feeling or doing. we can worship ourselves alone in our home, we dont need to be part of anything.

I hope somehow you find the key words to help him feel better and hopeful.