Posts by sowhatnow

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YMCA ? Are we allowed to go there or not?

by Quarterback in

half of our congregation goes there to work out because of the good pool facilities and prices, and the other half think that it's wrong due to it's old charter.

but no one is enforcing the wrong or right of it.

i'd be interested in knowing how this is being applied worldwide.

sowhatnow

the ones in my area are independently owned and operated and have nothing to do with any religious organization. just like Goodwill thrift stores, not run my religious org, they're simply independent neighborhood stores. maybe sort of franchise of sorts. I guess then there are silly nit picky extreme nuts that think its not ok to go to a hospital that has a name on it that starts with a saint? seriously? that might be the only hospital in the whole area. so,because a religious organization does GOOD for strangers, the WT criticized them? where are the Watchtower elementary schools? the Watchtower Gyms? the Watchtower hospitals? the Watchtower soup kitchens? The watchtower donation centers? ect..

why they wont even allow at the kingdom hall to be used for activities . so the building just sits there being used for so little while people are often bored all winter with so little association, a kingdom hall would have make a nice place to go play games and have fun, but noooo, cant do that! gasp! no instead money is spent renting out a building, most likely owned by someone who goes to some church, lol

here is the scripture that says just that thing, that those who do good even if they are not of the same 'cult' , will not loose their reward mark ch 9.

38“Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”

39“Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40for whoever is not against us is for us. 41Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward.

just sayin,

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I never understood field service...

by Joliette in

jw
friends

it was always boring, and i was afraid that i was gonna get attacked by a dog.

i actually almost got attacked by a rottweiler once.

i didnt get paid for it, nobody listened to us, i actually had guys make passes at me while i was out doing street corner, i was always afraid i would get grouped and raped.

sowhatnow

I always asked my mom how it is that other religious faiths dont go door to door yet they have more members.

I knew for a long time door to door was not a 'command' for people and thus stopped years before i left. [and funny no one questioned me]

One would reason, if the world is such a bad place with such evil minded people, and yes risky people, WHY on earth would you send two children or women to a strangers door, in bad areas or secluded areas and basically trespass on someones property for no reason other that to tell them they believe wrong? how is that an attractive faith to belong to? lol

Its no more than harassment IMO. I never felt that it was proper to do such a thing.

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I found the WTBTS 990-T's Income Tax Returns for 2010-2013, and it shows their book value of all their assets

by LevelThePlayingField in

there are two sources online to get these pdfs.

https://www.citizenaudit.org/111857820/ lists 2010-2013 ( i would prefer this link because it's the most up to date).

http://www.guidestar.org/viewpdf.aspx?pdfsource=0&ein=11-1857820 lists 2010-2012. book value of all assets at end of year: (can be found on the 990-t for on top left on 1st page).

sowhatnow

so, lets see, ' jah' has 'removed' his 'holy spirit', because they are loosing support . hmm.

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The FINAL DAYS are here !!!

by Calebs Airplane in

according to this jw video... now is the time to preach without fear!

now that the final days are here!.

the final days were not here previously (as they kept insisting for over 140 years)... but now they are!.

sowhatnow

but what about this news?

http://www.sciencealert.com/it-s-official-we-re-on-the-brink-of-earth-s-sixth-mass-extinction

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It seems the 'end' might come by way of humans stupidity, not a plan of a god

by sowhatnow in

http://www.sciencealert.com/it-s-official-we-re-on-the-brink-of-earth-s-sixth-mass-extinction.

pretty obvious, we've deforested the planet so much it cant clean the air, we've polluted the water so much its not fit to drink, we've poisoned the soil so much it cant grow food, we use so many chemicals, its killing off the insects who pollinate.

so while on post on this site claims the end of freedom for mankind, by way of evil governments, .

sowhatnow

http://www.sciencealert.com/it-s-official-we-re-on-the-brink-of-earth-s-sixth-mass-extinction

pretty obvious, we've deforested the planet so much it cant clean the air, we've polluted the water so much its not fit to drink, we've poisoned the soil so much it cant grow food, we use so many chemicals, its killing off the insects who pollinate. and,

so while on post on this site claims the end of freedom for mankind, by way of evil governments,

we ignore the canary in the coal mine..

any opinion on this environmental disaster we've caused?

what Miraculous new inventions will 'suddenly' appear on the horizon to save us from ourselves?

who will clean up the mess?

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ATT: WARNING

by EJ257 in

please be aware of everything that is happening around the world at this moment in time.

this goes to anyone, ex-communicated, removed, serving, believer and non.

at this point in my observations i have realized many religions/ideologies know there is some sort "end of time" or a transition into a new order of living in this earth.

sowhatnow

No one with the idea that the worlds governments are out to eliminate all the useless human beings, like Hitler started out thinking, can tell me what the end result is supposed to be.

have a world full of prison camps, and only the wealthy can own all the land, and eat of its fruit, and live happily ever after?

who will do all the labor for al l those wealthy land owners?

all the poor people in huge camps, treated like livestock, used as slaves to do all the work of harvesting and making products and serving the rich, and the elite people rule with the world and enjoy all the fun stuff?

oh wait, that's already here. what is the whole point? it seems pointless to me to spend a whole life scheming to harm people. what a waste.

any government office, who thinks that their plan of actions are limited to 'those other people' who they think are disposable, are sadly mistaken. you cant escape the world you make.. or its outcome.

Global warming and the 6th extinction should be more of a concern than a world domination theory. theyll never make it, the environment will revolt way before.

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Things WT Would Have To Do To Be An Acceptable Religion

by JW_Rogue in

drop shunning or at least drop shunning among family members.

make blood transfusions a conscience matter, no more hlc.

drop the two witness rule, mandatory reporting of child abuse, no privileges for offenders.

sowhatnow

hmm, religion being a man made concept means there can never be an acceptable version.

from what I can understand from ancient scripture,

either,

no man on earth can have a house of worship, because God is to be worshiped in spirit, and you always pray in secret,

Or Jesus was a hard core follower of the old law [and always was]

and the whole bible is one form of 'religion', and it isn't Christianity.

any acceptable belief system would include the complete acceptance of everyone's freedom to chose how to live their own life the way they want providing no one else suffers harm. love others as you love yourself.

sadly genetics and faulty dna interrupts that possibility of that happening .

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"Most women would prefer to be stay at home housewives. Women's lib did alot of damage to women!"

by purrpurr in

jw
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the above is a quote from a jw female relative.

this was in response to a discussion about the suffragette movement ( and the movie about it that's currently in cinemas).

she seemed to think that it would be so much better if women were just daughters/ wives/ mothers and didn't go out to work and have career's?

sowhatnow

um, how about the damage to the men?

Ill say one thing, There are an awful lot of people out there who look down on we who were once stay at home moms, they act like we sat on our butts and watched tv all day. i worked on the side cleaning on top of doing my wifely and motherly duty for over 20 years. I wouldn't have had it any other way, but after my kids were in school it would have been nice to get a decent job where I was not ruining my back. but nooo, I had to spend my 'free' time serving 'you know who.'

now I do agree that by having more women in the work force has taken many jobs from men, and that has had its own issues, of preventing men from having families and wives.especially in developing countries. its a huge issue of unemployment and men not being able to provide for a family. so they are single, so, women are single. they are stuck being adult children. read a whole article about that dilemma.

with stagnant low wages , rising costs of housing, gentrification, and jobs being taken over by robot manufacturing, is the new challenge. what is a 'home' supposed to be ?

However, the stay at home mom, has been looked down on for years now.

we x-jw [past stay at home moms,] with no college degree or any work experience,who are now divorced, and looking for a new mate, have nearly a zero chance of gaining the respect or attention and secure long term relationship of any decent wage earning mature secure man. from personal exp, the moment any of these possibly interested single or divorced men, ask 'what do you do?'

Now, if your not independently wealthy, have a 'career' or have your own financial support, they drop you like a cannon ball. [then add to that the fact that soooo many of these guys are claiming to be 'religious' ha, where is their tradition role?

[ im simply not interested in going to church. so that eliminates so many more guys].

i can just hear them say, as they read my reply to them,

'oh she does THAT, forget her .'

yup. had it happen several times. but, Im not going to lie.

seems to me most men these days aren't looking for a 'wife' to stay home for them and take care of things, they want no commitment, but they want just one woman in their life, so basically they want to date till they die?

who but an x jw man can possibly understand what we x jw divorced women have been through?[and there is no x jw date site that Im aware of.]

First they say they want a woman in their lives to love and to hold, but then want her to have a career and be independent? double talk. they want only to date have sex and not be responsible men.

Thats what women's lib did to men. took away their pride and self respect, the fact they were needed.

'oh the girls dont need us, they can make their own money, so we dont need them.'

oh lonely hearts.

very sad. Ill be the one to say, I need a husband, and want a husband. Id like to make us dinner and go out and have fun and have a friend, is that so bad?

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pope will be in Philly..

by sowhatnow in

live near there?

boy i feel for you.

the outright display of idol worship ever will be again witnessed at the big event in philadelphia pa. .

sowhatnow

live near there? boy I feel for you.

the outright display of idol worship ever will be again witnessed at the big event in Philadelphia pa.

oh, and new year, of mercy? I bet that was 'invented' for this year I guess.

the same idol worship being shown in a more subtle way for the GB.

why cant these people see what they are doing? seriously, its so obvious.

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Are you "trained" to be loyal?

by DATA-DOG in

i went for the kh today for personal reasons.

it was pretty dumb, but not horrible.

anyway the speaker used a terrible, but accurate illustration in his gb approved outline.

sowhatnow

Apparently I cant be trained...

As for the horse story.. I know someone with a horse, and I bet if she hear that she would be so annoyed.

once an elder stood up on the platform and said 'missing a meeting is a sin'

I thought , gee where is that in the bible.

not to mention the whole, 'be at the meetings in case Armageddon 'comes' [ never mind that a 'place' cannot 'go' anywhere lol] so you can be protected.

in the mean time ,Im a kid thinking, wait a minuet,

all meetings are held at different times all over the world, and half the world is a sleep when others are at the khall hows that work?

island man, I know that feeling of wanting to scream at everyone.. Im sure most of us do, lol