Posts by sowhatnow

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Interesting statement regarding "this generation"

by InChristAlone in

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i keep up with allexperts.com, and i noticed an interesting question to "brother rando".

his statement surprised me, and i am wondering if i missed some new light along the way.. question:.

"hello bro rando.

sowhatnow

Im assuming, that more and more people are getting tired of all this constant new light bull crap. where is this person getting his info an authority, to assume.
interesting again, to read this statement
'We come to realize..'
who is the 'we' here?
again, that means all the while, the holy spirit/ God / Jesus , continued to let them not
'realize' ....
interpreted by me, as god, willfully allowing a wrong teaching...
so, whos at fault? imperfect man? or god?
if man is at fault we have the right to choose, without being condemned, after all were imperfect.
if god is at fault, than we have the right to not follow a wrong god, and be condemned. lol
either way its win win
and this statement....
'Sometimes strategies are implemented for certain types of outcomes and reactions.'

oh really?
Yea, The strategy of twisting ancient scripture and creating a certain type of outcome. lol
also, in Matthew, 24, Jesus says. vs ..25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
who was he speaking to?
his apostles only.

he meant THAT generation. he told them ahead of time. They were told to expect it.
not a big mystery when we accept that everything was written after the fact from oral traditional stories.

Jesus also makes a curious statement, in vs
39. and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

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Door to Door

by Drifting Away in

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i hear my wife say to me " we are the only religion that does the will of god , and that is to preach door to door, and speak about gods kingdom" and in one sense she is correct, i know there are others that preach door to door, but then someone told me door to door, does not literally mean door to door in modern times.

i was confused, has anyone ever heard of this before?

sowhatnow

my mom claims that all the time, so that's what makes it so 'special' lol

[my understanding from my research and my own 'logical',[lol] deductions,]

the bible, Jesus nor Paul, has never made a 'command' for anyone other than Jesus 12, to go from house to house.

Jesus told his 12 apostles, no one else to go... . their job was...

6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7

the scriptures are at Matthew 10 , he sends out the 12...

he told them to stay in one place and not being 'lodging' in several places.

'stay there until you leave' [unless they stayed someplace where they learned the householders were hostile to their faith].

11 Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave.

that sentence, 'stay there until you leave', leaves a whole lot of room for imagination....

so he says,
7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’

Not the end of the world is coming, and not be a jw or you will die.

so they were to expect the kingdom THEN not now, and what was that kingdom?

[the kingdom of the house of Israel Im assuming, [and those who followed the law] were said to be in paradise. [because in the last chapter of revelation a purely symbolic book, 'outside' of a kingdom,, means the world was going no place.] the paradise and kingdom to me, are one in the same.

all worship back then was at the temple, there was no public door to door campaigns.

plus in 2 Corinthians vs 3,4. , they were warned not to be preaching a different message that what was given them, which for them was Jesus.

JWS preach a different message.

those are two different belief systems in the bible, in no way does the bible have 'harmony'.

there are so many ways to interpret ancient texts, and i have never seen any scripture to convince me that there was any far future prophesy or a three fold application.

I can take five different cookie recipes, from the past 100 years, take a random ingredient from each one ,

as long as I have the 'main' ones,

[eggs flour sugar butter baking soda]

and still get a cookie, it might not be a great tasting cookie, but it can still be called a cookie. lol

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AGREE? or DISAGREE? Popular Music

by Terry in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip0wuwjbdmi.

"from 1955 till present, popular music has declined to the point where it is now consistently "stupid" and homogenous.

".

sowhatnow

there is too much variety to say that is the case. depends on where you live I think. no matter what decade it is, our kids music is 'the worse' lol. well, I cant say that about my kids or even my granddaughters music,

I like a lot of it. but not too much of the radio stuff, Im picky.

growing up, in the 70s my mom called everything that my one and only worldly friend from school listened to 'satanic'. lol

that's pink Floyd, Beatles, rolling stones Boston, or whatever was going on then.

I was a victim of my dads personal record collection..... 50s and early .60s music... nat king cole, frank sinatra, statler brothers, folk music, peter paul mary sort of stuff. and whatever they played in bugs bunny cartoons, yes lol, was my only exposure to 'classical' music. outside the kingdum hall music all i heard was oldies.

Not until I was MARRIED , at 19,

did I hear what everyone else was hearing on the radio. by then it was the 80s,

so for me the 80s and 90s is my music era. and alternative was my favorites.

I was clueless to heavy metal other than Metallica,

which i listened to when they came on the radio,

[in secret.lol ]

the problem is, a lot of people dont have the luxury of sirius radio or pandora.

If only Id have had that when I was 16.

so were forced to listen to local radio, which is repetitive.

I was much more lenient with my kids than my mom was with me.

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Im wondering...maybe the GB are truly mentally damaged, not just deceivers.

by sowhatnow in

has anyone by chance read the latest issue of pshychology today?

april issue, article title' moment of impact'.. i havent fiished reading it yet, but it got me thinking, how likely is it that many born in jws [ teens in particular since thats the age these issues start to appear] will end up with these problems mentioned in the article?

i know of a few adults that have this problem, schizophrenia, bi polar, ect.

sowhatnow

well my topic wasnt actuallly about them only, i was asking about in general the likelyhood of many youg people being mentally damaged, has anyone actually read my post?

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Home made circuit assembly programs

by hoser in

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printed off the website i presume and hand cut with scissors.

i was handed one at the circuit assembly by one of the attendants.

sowhatnow

what, they arent on everyones tablet at the jw site? why print at all.

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Live in the U.S.? Tune into Dateline Friday evening, April 15th, to see a report about the Colorado Candelario murder trial (he's a JW).

by AndersonsInfo in

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ralph and pam candelario were active jws in colorado.

ralph murdered pam.

professor jim penton was invited to appear at the trial last month by the prosecution as an expert witness to answer questions about jws.

sowhatnow

old hip,

yes, if they did not say what religion they were it wouldnt have been any more or less interesting.

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Im wondering...maybe the GB are truly mentally damaged, not just deceivers.

by sowhatnow in

has anyone by chance read the latest issue of pshychology today?

april issue, article title' moment of impact'.. i havent fiished reading it yet, but it got me thinking, how likely is it that many born in jws [ teens in particular since thats the age these issues start to appear] will end up with these problems mentioned in the article?

i know of a few adults that have this problem, schizophrenia, bi polar, ect.

sowhatnow

Has anyone by chance read the latest issue of pshychology today? april issue, article title' moment of impact'.

I havent fiished reading it yet, but it got me thinking, how likely is it that many born in jws [ teens in particular since thats the age these issues start to appear] will end up with these problems mentioned in the article? I know of a few adults that have this problem, schizophrenia, bi polar, ect.[ i know of two persons in the past who commit suicide, attempted suicide, were in mental institutions a dozen times, or were deeply depressed so much so they became hermits. all jws.]

now Id imagine, that no jw is going to submit thier kids to a phychiatric evaluation, becasue it will become clear that the teachngs are what drives the bigger problem. a person cannot be rehabilitated from mental issues if you continue to feed them brain poision of the twisted teachngs of the wt. they are lost causes in that aspect.

the article mentions that teens face an intense developmental challenge, on the way to becoming adults. oh we can all relate to that.

but, why is it, that so many adults, who experienced this same troubling teen time, seem to forget what it was like? I cant understand why so many adults, expect teens to have answers to why they do things.

dont they remember what it was like to be a teen? I do. id never want to relive it.

so how on earth can anyone justify disfellowshipping or even teaching children such biased and unkind out of the norm teachings and expect to turn out mentally stable?

as for narcissism, it actually ends up a mental dissorder of sorts.

how cruel is it for a religius organization, to expect children to get baptised and make adult decesions based on unimportant tales of the bible, and religious beliefs that restrict normal human needs and desires?

the mind damaging teachings of cults, not only contribute to mental illness, but almost could ensure that it will happen.

Id like to know who can escape the eventual stress overload from expectations of parents, schools, mates, and the the mulititude of confusing media information availiable on the web, in the workplace, at religious centers, and from piers, availiable today.

were these conditions as common decades ago when there was not so much information availiable?

and what role does the immediate family of such a person play? is it possible, that the only reason someone ends up with a mental disorder is due to the mental abuse and neglect from the parents and family? your social environment forms much of your thinking. [ ex if your raised in a home where its the norm for your parents to have filth all through the house, or openly smoke, or drink, you will more likely live the same way. thats your normal ]

its all quite interesting, the WT claims some are possibly mentaly unstable simply because they dont know if they are one of the 144thou, but, um, you think we all havent been traumatized? arent we all on here partly because unless you were a jw you cant wrap your head around what were gong through , and we are seeking some sort of support to help us feel normal again?

are any of you aware of those who are obviously struggling with bi polar or schizophrenia symptoms? do you think its a slient epidemic among cults?

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Live in the U.S.? Tune into Dateline Friday evening, April 15th, to see a report about the Colorado Candelario murder trial (he's a JW).

by AndersonsInfo in

jw
friends

ralph and pam candelario were active jws in colorado.

ralph murdered pam.

professor jim penton was invited to appear at the trial last month by the prosecution as an expert witness to answer questions about jws.

sowhatnow

the show was lacking info,

like, what was the true motive? not just so he can remarry, I think that was a lame lie.

what was up with the first wife?why did he decide he did not want her, did not the second wife know about the first wife just disapearing? What posessed her to leave her husband and go off with this guy .

why were they both not DF? they both should have been, so then why not just leave the wife again.

if he wanted a life of a playboy, why be a jw?

if he had half a brain, hed have sooner been disfellowshipped for adultry and not go to jail.

Ive known people to have been DF and got remarried and then was reinstated more than twice mind you.... its worth it to some to get out of a bad marraige.

the show left me wondering why all the lies, hes so could have simply told the cops his original story, that he was hit from behind, and never seen anyone and was unconscius. and who hit him? how did he get those injuries? self inflicted? good gravy what a thing to do just to get out of a reationship.

ad no one knows what happened to the first wife? unsolved mystery?

yea, lots missing here.

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The real reason Chelmsford hasn't been stopped

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

i haven't seen this mentioned yet.

last year in the uk, shortly after the money grab that everyone had, we had a video and letter (both probably still available from atlantis) appealing for money for the new bethel and slips were handed out etc.

this means that most uk congregations are sending a regular donation specifically for the chelmsford build.

sowhatnow

hmm ,

yea, what are they preparing for? storing up treasures on earth are they? organic fruit trees water supply, housing, underground storage, for probably supplies, live in a paradise..... putting hopes in themselves to save them?

who now is going to live there? who are the 'lucky' [?] ones who get to stay there? will all 8 million jws have a compound to 'hide' on,lol or is this for the 144,000? doesnt the bible say no one can hide, and god will save the righteous ones? so yea whats the real secret.

why dont someone put a bug in the ear of Alex Jones, maybe he can investigate....lol

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The Elders of the congregations make for the worst possible "shepards".

by Dunedain in

the main goal of a shepard, is to keep the flock as safe as possible.

the loss of just a single sheep, could be devastating to a flock, and a shepards financial well being.

every sheep is valuable, from a monetary stanpoint, and future strength of the flock.

sowhatnow

just my opinion here, but

what the society expects men to do, is something by nature men are not equipped for. this is not an insult, its just a simple observation.

women by far are more the emotionaly caretaker support syetem and like to talk, figure things out and are social by nature. which is why when men dont 'talk', women go nuts assuming things,lol

men, not so much, men are more logical, and have a single purpose in mind and would prefer not to multi task. men are excelent in finding a solution to a single problem, like, say, when they see that the numbers are short on the days register totals, they go after the mistake. one project, done. all is well. and move on to the next project.

so a man can be assigned to take care of one thing and do it well, not take care of a whole sh@# load of assignments with unpredicatable outcomes because there are 20 or 30 different people[ half of them female and children] involved. and then do it with two or three other guys who have a different viewpoint but cant openly express it for fear of being scolded by the higher ups.

I have always been sympathetic to elders, the WT steals thier time, and identity and thier peace of mind. turns them into machines, they have to ignore thier emotions and conscience and logic to get the 'job' done.

they got the wrong sex assigned to a job thats probably got the wrong title, lol