Mad, I refer to BIBLICAL faith- hich is based on evidence of things unseen- not CHURCH 'faith' which, as you say, has none. It is only gullibility...
Heb 11:1- Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.- KJV
1- pray to god (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding.
2- study the background about the bible (from non-religious sources) to see where it came from.
3- discard (or at least set aside) chuyrch claims and dogma.. 4- read it, looking up archaeological/historical sources about the places and peoples referred to.
Mad, I refer to BIBLICAL faith- hich is based on evidence of things unseen- not CHURCH 'faith' which, as you say, has none. It is only gullibility...
Heb 11:1- Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.- KJV
1- pray to god (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding.
2- study the background about the bible (from non-religious sources) to see where it came from.
3- discard (or at least set aside) chuyrch claims and dogma.. 4- read it, looking up archaeological/historical sources about the places and peoples referred to.
The tin man and the lion call me the scarecrow.
I'm honored.
I do my best to answer any questions, but don't LIVE here- and this site has been limiting me to only 10 postings. Now I can post more!
I LOVE watching the spins you clowns throw!
Bravo!
there seems to be an endless number of ways to show the bible is not devinely inspired but all of it seems so complicated.
anyone know any simple arguements for this?
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The same is true @ Sodom.
The claim is made by many religious people of most religions that God is Omnipresent.
That would mean he watchs us all as we have sex, use the bathroom, etc.
The evidence is He DOES allow us our personal privacy.
No absolute FACT to show one way or the other, however- altho I vagely remember a scripture that says He ca't BEAR to watch evil....
there seems to be an endless number of ways to show the bible is not devinely inspired but all of it seems so complicated.
anyone know any simple arguements for this?
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Any idiot (like the Fink) can cut and paste long lists from idiot sites- but Moses Joe has given careful THOUGHT, and gives his OWN reasons!
Let's consider it!
Gen 3:8- And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden. 9- And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? 10- And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid...- KJV
Does the account say God DIDN'T know where they were? It shows he DID- for he spoke in the garden, knowing they were still there. ASKING where they are didn't mean he didn't KNOW where they were.
Personally, I think he was respecting their 'space'. Yet, if I'm wrong- there's nothing to indicate it. And to use this as 'Proof' the Bible is not inspired is absurd- in my OPINION....
1- pray to god (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding.
2- study the background about the bible (from non-religious sources) to see where it came from.
3- discard (or at least set aside) chuyrch claims and dogma.. 4- read it, looking up archaeological/historical sources about the places and peoples referred to.
Ishmael- it begins with the evidence (rejected by most) that we have be created rather than just evolved.
If you refuse you acknowledge THAT, NOTHING can be proved.
1- pray to god (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding.
2- study the background about the bible (from non-religious sources) to see where it came from.
3- discard (or at least set aside) chuyrch claims and dogma.. 4- read it, looking up archaeological/historical sources about the places and peoples referred to.
Nothing wrong with having 'faith' in one's own ability- yet to pretend we have made ourselves is tragilarious!
figures don't lie...but liars figure!.
the message for those babies who are now in their 30's and 40's is that "we warned your parents about a date that meant nothing!".
how does that wash credibility-wise?.
None, as usual, Clary. Why?
1- pray to god (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding.
2- study the background about the bible (from non-religious sources) to see where it came from.
3- discard (or at least set aside) chuyrch claims and dogma.. 4- read it, looking up archaeological/historical sources about the places and peoples referred to.
Ismael, only one God can be seen in history (tiny Israel, Empires like Babylon falling as His prophets predicted- and a TRUE Sacred Text that actually makes SENSE!).
The rest are statues prayed and sacrificed to....
figures don't lie...but liars figure!.
the message for those babies who are now in their 30's and 40's is that "we warned your parents about a date that meant nothing!".
how does that wash credibility-wise?.
The Games people Play...
1- pray to god (whomever you may imagine him to be) asking for understanding.
2- study the background about the bible (from non-religious sources) to see where it came from.
3- discard (or at least set aside) chuyrch claims and dogma.. 4- read it, looking up archaeological/historical sources about the places and peoples referred to.
Strucky refused to give a specific example, and gave this flimsy spin instead: "As I stated doc,The god of the bible kills (or supposedly authorises to be killed) anyone he wants...and usually its the people who are just using the gift of free will that he supposedly gave them!Thats like saying to a child "here is a piece of candy...I gave it to you because I love you...but if you eat it , I will kill you"
Try defending that Doc...."
Glad to- if you gave an example of where He did this.
How many times do I have to ask for one; or you just another of the endless clowns here?