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A jw thought trap

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i've been watching louis therouxs documentary about scientology.

one of the thought traps they createn in people is that they make them belive that all good things come from following the doctrines correctly and all bad things come from not doing so.

and in this way it becomes a thought trap where the person is self regulated mentally by trying ever harder to be more indoctrinated.

I've been watching Louis therouxs documentary about scientology. One of the thought traps they createn in people is that they make them belive that all good things come from following the doctrines correctly and all bad things come from not doing so. And in this way it becomes a thought trap where the person is self regulated mentally by trying ever harder to be more indoctrinated. so that they can get these good things in their lives.

And I thought about the jw doctrine of all good things come from Jehovah and all bad things are persecution from the devil. It's exactly the same thought trap. If something's gone wrong, well maybe Satan went after you because you missed some meetings? And if you get a pay rise well it's Jehovah blessing you because of how well you're doing spiritually.

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Leaving the jws is a "lifestyle choice" according to a counsellor

by purrpurr in

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so i had my first appointment with a counsellor, of course i explained about being a born in jw, mentally leaving, the penalty of doing so and therefore the mental strain of pretending to be someone i'm not.

her response was that she couldn't help me with that because leaving a cult was a "lifestyle choice".

i tried to say to her that its a cult not a religion and how it brain washed me but no.

purrpurr

So I had my first appointment with a counsellor, of course I explained about being a born in jw, mentally leaving, the penalty of doing so and therefore the mental strain of pretending to be someone I'm not.

Her response was that she couldn't help me with that because leaving a cult was a "lifestyle choice". I tried to say to her that its a cult not a religion and how it brain washed me but no. There's no box to tick for "former cult member" and so they cannot help.

I don't feel like leaving was a lifestyle choice, it was an awakening to a reality that had been hidden from me and now I'm having to sit on the fence of both worlds

Do you think it's a lifestyle choice?

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HELP needed from folks in UK, esp. in Scotland!

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tl;dr: if you live either in scotland or in other parts of uk and you don't mind traveling, you might be able to help a fellow ex-jw by being present during a courtcase where she alone has to face more than two dozens of jws who have ruined their business.

please contact me directly for details on when and where the court case will be held (i will know these details in few days probably).

ps.

purrpurr

I hate to sound paranoid but have a think about this... what if you were an enterprising elder who wanted to flush out the local apostates? Telling them when and where to turn up to support one of their own might be a very good idea! Then you just stand in the shadows with a discrete camera and see if you recognise anyone...

As I say I could be being paranoid and I'm perfectly willing to revise my thoughts on this if presented with some proof

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"back in the day people didn't know not to abuse kids"- a jw explanation for their abuse scandal

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a few weeks back i showed the guardian article about the borg refusing to cooperate with the charity commission into child abuse to a fellow jw.

their response was quite amazing.

they told me that in the 50s-80s people didn't know about child abuse, didn't know it was wrong and no one really believed children when they claimed they had been abused - even worldly people.. they said that alot of the time children lie about being abused or therapists plant false memories in their heads and that apostates lie about being abused to undermine our faith.. about the borg not cooperating with the commission they said that it was probably because they wanted to protect the identities of jw's who had been abused.

purrpurr

A few weeks back I showed the guardian article about the Borg refusing to cooperate with the charity commission into child abuse to a fellow jw. Their response was quite amazing. They told me that in the 50s-80s people didn't know about child abuse, didn't know it was wrong and no one really believed children when they claimed they had been abused - even worldly people.

They said that alot of the time children lie about being abused or therapists plant false memories in their heads and that apostates lie about being abused to undermine our faith.

About the Borg not cooperating with the commission they said that it was probably because they wanted to protect the identities of jw's who had been abused. They also said that it was Satan who was behind the commission and that not cooperating was a way of protecting the society from them/Satan.

They also claimed that other churches are refusing to cooperate with the commission too.

Although they agreed that it looks like the JW's have something to hide.

They claimed that all that child abuse stuff happened in the past and doesn't happen now. The society has never told elders not to go to the police and that elders who haven't have decided that on their own.

Of course I shot down most of these arguments and finally they said that it boiled down to one thing... that we should trust in Jehovah's organisation and if we do then we won't pay attention to these discouraging reports...

It was a real exercise in idiocy and CD!

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New non jw emergency contact card

by purrpurr in

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i've just put together a emergency contact card for me to carry in case of accidents etc.

it's not a blood card and as i filled it out i realised that the jw blood card is extremely impersonal, there's no room for really explaining medical needs or issues, there's hardly any room for medications to be listed.

and the contact details section is very limited.

purrpurr

I've just put together a emergency contact card for me to carry in case of accidents etc. It's not a blood card and as I filled it out I realised that the jw blood card is extremely impersonal, there's no room for really explaining medical needs or issues, there's hardly any room for medications to be listed. And the contact details section is very limited. It's like the person isn't as important as the doctrine.

In my new card I've been able to list several contacts and in what situation/order to call them. I've been able to explain at lenght my medical needs and medications and my drs details etc. In essence its all me , none of it is the Borg.

Ps, I'm refusing a blood card and this gives me an answer to the challenge of "if you were in an accident no one would know who to call or who your next of kin is!" Now I can produce this Ta Da!

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Listing Bros cv's in their intro

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at the assembly i noticed something new and disturbing.

when a brother is introduced before a talk the audience is now given their life history/ major accomplishments .. "brother arsehole who served at bethal for five years, pioneered in the foreign language territory for ten years, is an elder in x congregation and serves in the construction projects blah blah blah".

this puffing up never used to happen?

purrpurr

At the assembly I noticed something new and disturbing. When a brother is introduced before a talk the audience is now given their life history/ major accomplishments .

"Brother arsehole who served at bethal for five years, pioneered in the foreign language territory for ten years, is an elder in x congregation and serves in the construction projects blah blah blah"

This puffing up never used to happen? Did it?

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Inactive ones talk... some lies I noticed

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the brother giving the saturday"inactive ones helping them to return".. he said, this year the society has been making an effort to contact all inactive ones.. and also... the elders visit all the inactive ones at least once a year .

bs!

totally bs!.

purrpurr

The brother giving the Saturday"inactive ones helping them to return".

He said, this year the society has been making an effort to contact all inactive ones.

And also... the elders visit all the inactive ones at least once a year

BS! Totally BS!

Also he said that if any of the flock make contact with an inactive one they must tell the elders immediately. Hmm? I wonder why?

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Don't have sexual fantasies! Today's watchtower...

by purrpurr in

the watchtower today says not to think of sex, or to have sexual fantasies.

i'm just wondering... how many people in the hall hearing this watchtower today would be having sexual fantasies?

sitting there thinking about sister hottie or brother hunky ?.

purrpurr

The Watchtower today says not to think of sex, or to have sexual fantasies. I'm just wondering... how many people in the hall hearing this Watchtower today would be having sexual fantasies? Sitting there thinking about sister hottie or brother hunky ?

As humans with functional sexual organs it's practically impossible to not think about sex it's how we are built. The Borg are basically setting the sheep up to fail.

And do people really go to the elders about their sexual fantasies? Which is what the Watchtower is telling them to do?

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But where else should we go? Can you answer this question?

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having watched many jc youtube videos one question that gets asked is "where else would you go?".

in other words if not jehovah's witnesses then what other religion or organisation would you go to?.

it's one that i have trouble answering, what would you say?.

purrpurr

Having watched many JC YouTube videos one question that gets asked is "where else would you go?". In other words if not Jehovah's witnesses then what other religion or organisation would you go to?

It's one that I have trouble answering, what would you say?

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physical and emotional abuse from JWs

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is physical and emotional abuse taken seriously in jws ?

do they address this form of abuse that their members inflict on others?

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purrpurr

I suffered from emotional and physical abuse my whole life in the and the Cong all knew about it. Yet it was ignored and when I asked for help I got the old "Jehovah sort it out in his own due time" fob off