Posts by LP97

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Voting and elections

by Powermetal4ever in

jw
friends

i've been thinking about the fact that jws dont vote in elections.

the main reason for this, i guess is that they shall not be a part of this world and so on.

there was no election in the times of jesus, so yes i understand that it needs an intepretetion, but why is that intepreted that they shouldnt vote?

LP97

This must be topical in Scotland with the referendum due shortly, for independance from Britain. Any Scottish posters know if the flock up there have been reminded to remain "neutral"

It's been treated like any other election...inappropriate for a Christian to partake in. It's been referenced a couple of times in talks when talking about the political systems of this world, so yeah, the flock still have to remain "neutral" and not vote. Although I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of "spiritually weak" ones decided to head down to the polling station! It's the biggest political decision in our history after all.

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PART TWO of AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE BY A PRACTICING JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

by Sparks in

jw
friends

while you are sitting there reading this, there are literally hundreds of thousands of young males and females all over the world [ mostly in america / canada and england] sitting in their grotty little smelly bedrooms or flats, designing computer viruses that they will up-load onto web-sites to cause anonymous innocent peoples computers to malfunction.

these creeps spend literally weeks,months or even years hoping to make a computer viruses that will get into peoples computer bios to completely destroy their computers.

they never see the peoples anger, frustration and distress.... the damage can cost each person about 1,000 [ $1,660.74 ] or more to replace a basic new laptop or tower.

LP97

This must be a joke surely? Otherwise it's embarrassing.

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WHY THE WAY I LIVE MY LIFE IS BETTER THAN JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

by Terry in

jw
friends

make your best case.. you are miraculously invited to give a half hour speech to the local kingdom hall.

(i know--fat chance!).

the title of your topic is this: why the way i live my life is better than you jehovah's witnesses.. .

LP97

Because I can think for myself and question what I am told. My life is not micromanaged to the most minimal and precise details, and even if I did choose to live my life that way, I would decide how to micromanage it and not let some old men in New York do it for me.

I look at things with an open mind, rather than a closed one where the answer has already been decided for me.

I can enjoy life and all that is contained within it and take whatever path I so desire because I do not have the fear that "Armageddon is just around the corner" and "the time remaining left is short".

I can love and associate with all people, regardless of what they believe. I am not forced into a small circle of people I must like out of duty, but rather, I can choose whoever I want to be with.

There, I don't even need half an hour.

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If God created complex creation - out of the mouths of babes answer!

by qwerty in

we know the wts offical answer to this but,.

if god created complex unique creation and is the amazing designer - he must be as equally unique and complexed!

surely god would need a creater too????.

LP97

The "life is so complex that it must have an inteligent designer" argument is a form of the "proving too much" logical fallacy. Much of the time this falacy can be somewhat tricky to suss out because the false conclusion that it eventually leads you to can be inferentially distant enough that it's not very obvioius. In this case, it's quite delicious how obviously the argument proves itself false.

And yet it is what the enterity of the WT's creation argument is based around. It's not surprising - WT reasoning and bad logic go hand in hand.

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BOE 2014-09-01 Our Kingdom Ministry PDF

by WatchTower87 in

to all congregations.

please arrange for this letter to be read to the congregation at the first service meeting after its receipt.

thereafter, it should be posted on the information board.

LP97

So OKM will only be on paper by request now...cost cutting again.

And yet they proclaim they still do not have enough. Poor old Borg.

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"Jehovah Knows Those Who Belong to Him"

by lambsbottom in

september 1-7, 2014 watchtower (wt) study.

"jehovah knows those who belong to him".

i printed out the next study edition of the wt, which will be used this coming week.

LP97

It's fairly obvious there are divisions and disagreements over doctrines and decisions within most congregations, but these ideas and concerns are kept silent.

It's propbably why "spiritual talk" like the WT promotes before and after meeting is very limited and kept to a minimum - people do not want to express their true feelings.

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Is there a list of JW contradictions / double standards anywhere?

by BenRichards in

as i mentioned in a recent thread, i've relatively new here.

have been lurking for a few weeks and just started posting.. one of the things i'm finding interesting about this site is how often someone posts a set of jw published material that contradicts each other.

for example the other day someone posted about lecithin.

LP97

There's plenty of ones where they blatantly say that 1914/1925/1975 will be the prophesied time and then later on say "Some Christians thought..." As you show with the lecithin example, they do this an awful lot. Shift the blame onto the R&F when it came out of their own mouths.

This isn't so much to do with WTBTS publications as to do with JW's themselves, but I've figured a way you can expose their double standards with just a few questions.

You: Do you believe that the GB is God's "faithful and discreet slave" who carry out HIS commands directly from HIM?

JW: Yes.

You: So how can you explain failed predictions/changes in doctrine? (eg blood fractions, disfellowshipping)

JW: The GB are imperfect men.

You: But you say that the GB carry out direct commands from God as they are his chosen "faithful and discreet slave". How can any of these commands be wrong or be changed? They are from a perfect God! This therefore means that either God is deliberately getting things wrong or changing things OR his "faithful and discreet slave" are getting the messages from God wrong and therefore their commands cannot be trusted as commands of God!

At this point cognitive dissonance kicks in and any reasonable or rational conversation ends. But it's good if you want to plant a seed of doubt in the mind of a JW that will hopefully grow and make them realise TTATT one day.

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WTF THIS S*** IS REAL!!!!

by Yondaime in

as i am typing this post i am constantly looking over my shoulder to see if anybody is at my bedroom door lol guys i know i am stuck in a a cult.

but this s*** is f****** crazy!!!!.

w13 11/15 p.16 par.17 -- " at that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from jehovahs organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.

LP97

I am in a similar position to you - uncovering the REAL truth while you're young.

I'm so grateful I didn't spend 30, 40 years in this cult and had a marriage and close friendships like some on here did.

I think it's easier to accept TTATT when you're young - you haven't had years and years of indoctrination, and critical thinking is encouraged more and more in school

school now.

I don't think it's any wonder that the born-in retention rate is 37%, the lowest for any religion IIRC. Thankfully, there is more JW youths like me and you waking up every day.

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All these people will be destroy unless they become JWs (Watchtower teaching)

by hardtobeme in

jw
friends

no matter what they do, they will be destroyed forever!!!!

i can't believe i used to believe that s**t!!!!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx28dw9devu.

LP97

And to think, some of them won't have even been contacted by the JWs. And despite this and their loving actions, they will be destroyed.

Yet Jehovah will accept a drunkard and paedophile elder that was born into the JWs...we all make mistakes now and again, don't we?

What a fair and loving God Jehovah is.

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Watchtower transformation to JW.org - step by step TTATT recap

by 4thgen in

the watchtower has been making cunning and calculated changes in the organization to gain more money, power and control.

jwn has a multitude of posts on the rapid metamorphosis of the watchtower into jw.org.

please feel free to comment and interject your thoughts.

LP97

MARKETING: JW.org leads to publication cost savings and content control. The promotion of JW.org leads to more internet ‘hits’ and bring their website to a top position for an internet search. Years ago, many were encouraged to dispose of their older literature in favor of the Watchtower library on CD rom. With this new publications list on line, failed predictions and outlandish statements that were made in older publications can now be changed with the click of a button.

TECHNOLOGY & LARGER GATHERINGS: In 2013, they had the first remote annual meeting. Since this event was a success, they could begin the downsizing of the District and Circuit Assemblies for more cost savings. Congregations are now encouraged to purchase big flat screen TV’s for virtual meetings. This leads to less overhead and more control of content. This is eerily reminiscent of the movie 1984, with its cult like gatherings in front of large screens, Big Brother and changing the written publications.

This is what's scariest for me. They're going to dump paper publications and go straight to online, where information can be controlled and any contradictions or hypocrisies in their publications can be swiftly changed.

GB talks at the recent IC is just the beginning...we will be having virtual talks in the not too distant future I think.

It's perfect for the Borg - they control the masses and make sure their failures are unviewable as well as cutting costs so they get even more money in their pockets.

I'm glad I'm getting out of this cult sooner rather than later. The sad thing is, most JWs do not see the bigger picture and will continue to be loyal sheep to the GB. Makes you sad really.