Yes in my opinion, the JWs attract them because of the moral discipline( which is not unique to JWs; and its even a facade among JWs) . So it boils down to the person. If the person feels he needs such a structure and can deal with 8 men controlling and claimingn they are the only channel of communication from God, then its good for him. I know very good and sincere people in the WT who even though I'm sure do not know TTATT, do not submit to the control of the org and worship God in christian freedom.
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Should some people actually be Witnesses?
by Apognophos init seems to me like certain people actually benefit from joining the religion.
primarily i'm thinking of ones with drug problems who are only able to quit because they are working towards baptism.
another example would be those who are always getting in fights or who have a big ego, and who learn to be pacifistic and humble as a witness.
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Please help....in a dilemma..
by crazyhorse inplease help with this: when i was in college, there was a lot of talk about university and how all who pursue that are wasting their time and all that.
even before going to uni, there was a lot of pressurr on me concerning my decision.
during that time, two elders sat with me for appointment as ms and asked me if i have freedom of speech in the org since i'm going to uni and i said no.
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Paris, appreciate your help but I can't just do all you're suggesting to me. That's because independence isn't regarded so highly in my country. Even though my family is quite liberal and educated, because of out strong history in the org "that truth" binds us in some way together. "Going astray" from the norm is going to bring a lot of pressure. When the time is due, I'll have my own place and lice on my own; maybe even live on another country.
Haha Rebel8 that's funny. I've thought on things on that line.
Yes, I just read CoC. Wow such an eye opener. Most witnesses are left in the dark and are ultimately controlled like puppets. Ray is a true embodiment of christian love. And then when I want to express my freewill and christian freedom, I'm pressured not to. One of my greatest source of the dilemma is seeing my parents unhappy and distraught because I choose not to be a MS or even leave the org.
Anyway thanks evveryone
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Please help....in a dilemma..
by crazyhorse inplease help with this: when i was in college, there was a lot of talk about university and how all who pursue that are wasting their time and all that.
even before going to uni, there was a lot of pressurr on me concerning my decision.
during that time, two elders sat with me for appointment as ms and asked me if i have freedom of speech in the org since i'm going to uni and i said no.
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Hmm..thanks for your support. This is a great pressure because my Cong was mostly setup by my grandfather so the Cong is made up of many family members and they all know I'm a good boy. To add it all, my siblings and parents want me to be an MS. I don't know if you can all feel my pressure. But I have made the decision to decline. Its going to be very hard. One of my uncles will be part of the elders meeting me. Everyone knows how very responsible I am in my duties( still after learning TTATT).
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Please help....in a dilemma..
by crazyhorse inplease help with this: when i was in college, there was a lot of talk about university and how all who pursue that are wasting their time and all that.
even before going to uni, there was a lot of pressurr on me concerning my decision.
during that time, two elders sat with me for appointment as ms and asked me if i have freedom of speech in the org since i'm going to uni and i said no.
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I still go to the meetings because I live with my family and I am not independent. I haven't started work full time to be able to live on my own. (I'm in Africa and its not like in America where you can live on your own that easily)
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Have You Ever Rejected Being Appointed an Elder/MS Before the Announcement?
by GermanXJW inwhen i was a jw several brothers (ms) told me in private that the elders had asked them several times if they did not want to become an elder.
they said they rejected because it was too much responsibility for them.
were you ever approached that the boe wanted to make you an elder but you refused?
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Great thread. This is what's happening to me now. I have refused MS appointment but they want to tell me there's no reason to refuse and that refusing means opposition to God's call.
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Please help....in a dilemma..
by crazyhorse inplease help with this: when i was in college, there was a lot of talk about university and how all who pursue that are wasting their time and all that.
even before going to uni, there was a lot of pressurr on me concerning my decision.
during that time, two elders sat with me for appointment as ms and asked me if i have freedom of speech in the org since i'm going to uni and i said no.
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^^^Thanks for that reasoning
The third link is very helpful. These elders have no real love. Their love is based on you just putting in a show in others eyes and to receive praise. Smh. I have no time for such crap. God loves me without a "title"
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Please help....in a dilemma..
by crazyhorse inplease help with this: when i was in college, there was a lot of talk about university and how all who pursue that are wasting their time and all that.
even before going to uni, there was a lot of pressurr on me concerning my decision.
during that time, two elders sat with me for appointment as ms and asked me if i have freedom of speech in the org since i'm going to uni and i said no.
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Thanks for your replies. Yes, this is a conscienceless org to the very core. They tell you God gave us the gift of freewill but in reality you are told what to do and given no other choices. I'm only in my early 20s. I want to serve God in christian freedom not bound in endless organizational procedures to slave for the WT. I have no desire in proving my righteousness in front of people through the "priviledge- branded" position of MS and elder and the likes..
I wish I could fade away but the cost will be too great. I love my family and friends so much to see them detest me for fading. Maybe when I'm independent I may do that but that's in the future.
..and my parents aren't stupid. I understand why you say that. They are just under an illusion which they might never recover from.
PS:/ my whole family is JW. Just think about it. All these people watching me. Ugh such an illusion they're under
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Please help....in a dilemma..
by crazyhorse inplease help with this: when i was in college, there was a lot of talk about university and how all who pursue that are wasting their time and all that.
even before going to uni, there was a lot of pressurr on me concerning my decision.
during that time, two elders sat with me for appointment as ms and asked me if i have freedom of speech in the org since i'm going to uni and i said no.
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Please help with this: when I was in college, there was a lot of talk about university and how all who pursue that are wasting their time and all that. Even before going to uni, there was a lot of pressurr on me concerning my decision. During that time, two elders sat with me for appointment as MS and asked me if I have freedom of speech in the org since I'm going to uni and I said no. They asked if I will stop school and be appointed or continue and not be appointed . I said no , I don't want to be appointed.
Now, after I have completed I am being followed and being told to "always do more" to get qualified for MS.
I have already made up my mind that I don't want any appointment.
Now the pressure is on: from my family, elders, the last "full potential" study article ; to be a MS because "its a good work" ( I don't want to get involved with positions in the WT)... I feel so repressed.
What should I do?
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An important message from a PRACTICING Jehovah's witness
by Sparks inhi, i am also a practicing jehovah's witness and very proud of it,to say the very-very least..!
i am a middle-aged man with many decades of being a witness of jehovah god in england.. this important letter is personally to you, just as many of the bible's 88 letters are to be taken personal by you the reader.
i am writing to you to urge you to take stock of your life, think what your future holds for you.
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Sparks just needs some solid reasons from JWN to leave the WT. There you have it.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 08-31-2014 WT Study (FULL POTENTIAL)
by blondie inwt publications http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/archive.htm (old).
united nations http://www.randytv.com/secret/unitednations.htm.
newly baptized brothers (not sisters) because the wts needs men to reach out.
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LOL!!! Ding's comment is spot on and funny.
Today, an elder asked me if I had studied this WT and I said no and he started having pep talks about how there's a need for young men to serve and I told as I have told before that I don't want any "position" in this org and that's MY personal decision. He then said that means i am opposing Jah. I was like whaaat. I still told him no doesn't seem like opposition to me...he sounded offended.
Why do they like making everyone who doesn't have a "privilege" guilty? Makes me sick. Nothings good enough. You must grow endlessly to your full potential...as if spirituality is a competition