Posts by SAHS

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WARNING and SAVING PEOPLE so that they aren't destroyed...is....ILLOGICAL

by Terry in

think of all the anxious souls who barely escaped the end of 6,000 years of human existence in 1975. they were saved!.

saved from.... what?.

who were trying to save them?

SAHS

“EdenOne”:

“One can argue that the jw.org Website is a new tool that can reach vast amounts of people simultaneously with the message.”

Actually, JWs don’t really care about reaching as many people with the message as possible – they only like to give the impression that this is so. If they did desperately want to give as thorough and efficient a witness as possible to the entire world, then they would make more use of the general media, including TV, radio, and regular multimedia blogs on the Internet (as opposed to just posting a redundant list of current magazines on their main Website, which is really more for internal benefit).

“Pizza”:

“If the J Hitman walks up to the door and, without speaking, shoots the HH between the eyes, that person goes "straight in to the New System".”

Well, maybe a more fair approach would be for the elder reviewing the questions before baptism to just take a loaded handgun along for use depending on the potential baptismal candidate’s overall score on those questions. (I.e., a fail is certainly a fail!) Under this method, they would still be “saved” regardless of their score on the baptism questions. A fail would just mean being “saved” a whole lot sooner than later (i.e., the old high-velocity slug into the head routine).

And for any Bible studies in the field who are pregnant, the WT could start supplying very potent “morning after” pills at the literature counter which would induce miscarriage/abortion at any stage of pregnancy, thus taking away that unpleasant uncertainty and worry of parenthood by preemptively eliminating any chance of those Bible studies’ children ever rejecting the “truth” and not being “saved.” They could call it the “children’s salvation pill,” to be offered to all Bible studies, ensuring an early boarding pass to the “New System.” I can just see it now; announcing in the Our Kingdom Ministry a new chewable version of the “children’s salvation pill,” which, unlike the rules and regulations from the Governing Body, are actually easy to swallow.

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I've been duped!

by truthhurts13 in

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so im sittin here lookin through these issues of watch/awake that a jaydub left me, and i just realized, she gave me old mags!!!!!

these are like 2 years old!

she used me as a dumping ground for her old trash, and then counted it on her timecard as placements i just know it.. i remember leaving stacks (30-40) mags at a time on laundry mat tables, and leaving 5 or 6 in a door was not a problem.

SAHS

The information in those magazines can and does change, but, like ouija boards, they won’t burn, so don’t try. . . . . (Just kidding. Burn away!)

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How the WATCHTOWER has "borrowed" its NEW LIGHT....

by Terry in

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in the 18th century a book appeared:.

a faithful narrative of the surprising work of god (1737), jonathan edwards.

this book detailed elements of the so-called great awakening.. what was the great awakening?:.

SAHS

“Terry”:

“ A date was set: October 22, 1844. THE GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT: "Our fondest hopes and expectations were blasted, and such a spirit of weeping came over us as I never experienced before...”

I believe that the above example typifies the phenomena of “new light” among charismatic religious groups. As they say, “necessity is the mother of invention,” and if when things go awry in terms of so-called predictions, then it must be either say the heck with it entirely or back to the old drawing board. And, of course, the old drawing boards have certainly been busy at the Watchtower!

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When Is Armageddon? Really?

by Cold Steel in

yeah, i know that it's been just around the corner for as long as there have been corners, but my question adds just a little different twist, and that twist is: is there anything (according to the gb) that needs to take place before armageddon?

or can it happen any moment?

and what will be the first signs of armageddon?

SAHS

“Qcmbr”:

“For years we've been scared into buying useless food items ( in my case it was a 200 kg wheat)”

Well, at least you got exactly what you thought you would get – wheat. Charles Taze Russell tried to make money on so-called “miracle wheat,” but it wasn’t exactly any kind of “miracle” at all, and government tests determined it to actually be low quality. (What’s that word coming to my mind right now – oh yah, “charlatan.”)

“flipper”:

“" When is Armageddon ? " NEVER. REALLY. It's a fantasy made up by religionists to control people and put them in fear.”

. . . . Aaaaand the cigar for this thread goes to: “flipper.”

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The UNFORGIVABLE Sin: What Is It?

by Cold Steel in

jesus said: .

verily i say unto you, all sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: but he that shall blaspheme against the holy ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

(mark 3:28-29).

SAHS

“Cold Steel”:

“Based on what I've heard, if you fall away from the faith and repent, you haven't committed it. If you've fallen away and don't return, then you have most likely committed it.”

This to me all seems to be a matter of timing. The big question is, How long exactly do you have to continue not repenting after having fallen away before there is no longer any success in repenting? It almost seems like some kind of game of musical chairs where you only have so much time to reclaim a seat before it’s no longer possible. In other words, from what I’ve gathered from the WT literature, a person can commit any kind of sin, or transgression, including apostasy, and still be forgiven if that person sincerely repents and turns around from that course, but if a person practices sin without repenting then they can sin against the holy spirit. But as what kind of implied timeline during which repentance must occur, that seem very vague and unclear.

“softy”:

“There is no such thing as sin - forgiveable or otherwise. There is no spirit world, no afterlife, no judgement to come. Now stop wearing magic underwear and enjoy your life.”

Somebody give that fellow a cigar! With all things considered, especially a couple of things I like to call science and logic, that seems to be the best bet. (Minus the lack of spell checking.)

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October 15th WT up already

by St George of England in

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20131015/.

needless to say, banging on again about education and also creation/evolution.

can they not think of anything original?.

SAHS

And the Watchtower also used to believe that the Almighty Creator, Jehovah God, in heaven was located somewhere in the star constellation of the Pleiades. So much for accurate knowledge from God’s one and only mouthpiece! (Think of some dancing retarded clowns in your mind; I don’t have time to look for such an .mpeg, .gif, or .jpeg right now, as I have to go walk my dog.)

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Does the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" have a free pass to be able to judge others

by I_love_Jeff in

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it seems we have a contradicition here:.

"determining whether someone has gone far enough to be guilty of gross uncleanness or loose conduct is a serious responsibility, for lives are involved.

those judging such cases should do so prayerfully, asking god for his holy spirit, discernment, and understanding.

SAHS

“I_love_Jeff”:

There apparently is no more “Faithful and Discreet Slave Class” of anointed ones; it now exists solely as the eight members of the Governing Body in Brooklyn, New York.

Interestingly, the Governing Body would like to come across as agreeing with that quote, “Jehovah can read hearts, while we cannot. This in itself is a good reason for us not to be judgmental.” HOWEVER, in actual practice, the Governing Body does, in fact, seek to ‘read people’s hearts’ by hierarchically directing all the organization’s representatives, right down to the elders, to “discipline” or even disfellowship anybody who dares to disagree with them or even just not fully play along.

“somebody”:

“We let the judgment of such violators of God’s law concerning the sacredness of blood remain with Jehovah, the Supreme Judge.”

The Governing Body may like us to think that this is the case; HOWEVER, try going against the Watchtower blood policy, and you’ll quickly find that they are only too happy to relay just exactly what the ‘Supreme Judge Jehovah’ has apparently decided in your case, and you will find yourself kicked out of their “spiritual paradise” before you even know what happened.

Remember the very first precept of a cult: The guru is always right, and you are always wrong. And also, of course, There is no honorable exit from a cult. In stark reality, the Watchtower is Jehovah, and it will always be only too happy to wield its God-given self-given power as judge, jury, and executioner on anyone they please.

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This is my first time. Please be patient.

by Miss.Fit in

i have never posted before.

i have been lurking for a few days and have decided to give it a try.

the subject of child abuse caught my eye.

SAHS

“Miss.Fit”:

Welcome to the Board! It goes without saying that what happened to you and your sisters is extremely disgusting, upsetting, unfair, and blatantly criminal in many ways. It should make anyone very angry and almost want to cry at the same time.

I’m so glad, however, that you are telling the story of what went on. It is a very positive and constructive thing to share it, as you are doing. My sympathies and also congratulations for coming out.

Two things need to occur in order to promote justice and healing:

(1) This must be submitted to the legal justice system; firstly, as charges within the criminal justice system; and secondly, as a claim within the context of a civil lawsuit. Litigation should be at least investigated, and I would strongly suggest a comprehensive consultation with a lawyer to advise on your options and the merits thereof. Such initial consultation should be available free of charge.

(2) Your story should be submitted to the general media, including newspaper/magazine publication as well as online news resources. This is the simplest option, and definitely should be done regardless of what may or may not transpire with a criminal case or civil suit. Publishing your story would be very beneficial, not only to you and your sisters, but also in informing the public of just what does, in fact, go on with many of these “elders,” who are supposedly appointed by “God’s organization” through holy spirit (yah, right).

You have to realize that now you do have power, and you and your sisters never have to be that kind of victim ever again. It’s now your turn to turn the table around in your favor. I strongly wish for you the justice and closure of which you are very long overdue. Please at least consider pursuing the above two courses of action, which are the most tangible and effective routes for attaining justice, closure, and, most of all, healing, for yourself and your sisters. Best of luck!

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ExJW Meetup in Toronto, Ontario, Canada on July 13th @ Noon

by slimk in

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for more details go here: http://www.meetup.com/oexjws/events/126287942/.

if you local lurkers are out there, pm me or join the meetup group for more info!.

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SAHS

We had a very excellent discussion today at “Puck N Wings” in Toronto, for about five hours! It was just Kyle, Walter, and myself, and it was certainly mutually beneficial. This was actually my very first time meeting any “apostates” – I mean, ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses. It was refreshing and rejuvinating to finally meet with different people who have been through the old mill in JW land like myself. My JW friends just went from zero to, well, still zero; however, I believe my “worldly” – I mean, normal friends just increased by two.

My thanks for organizing today’s meet-up. It was the kind of “shot in the arm” that I really needed.

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another problem with the new FDS doctrine

by inbetween in

the issue july 15th 2013 changes the understanding of the fds dramatically, and it was broiught out here and on other places this creates numerous problems.. here is another one:.

jesus is supposed to be the head of the congregation.

when something goes wrong, he is often portrayed as the one having control over his congregation and also that in time he will act, clean the congo and direct elders (being the stars in his hand).

SAHS

“BU2B”:

“ Its funny, although the congregatgion was "cleansed" in 1919, an examination shows almost no doctrines were changed from 1914 to 1919. Use of the cross, holidays, birthdays, blood transfusions, etc continued. Wrong dates persisted, like Christ coming in 1874/1878, last days starting in 1799 etc. ”

That’s a damn good point! Jehovah and Jesus were supposed to have done a significant cleansing of the earthly part of their spiritual temple in 1919, ‘doing a cleansing and whitening,’ ‘refining them as silver,’ ‘smelting away the scummy dross as with lye,’ ‘doing a refining work,’ ‘like the fire of a refiner and like the lye of laundrymen’ (somewhat paraphrased), which is referring to the process of smelting silver and gold to purify them. – See Isaiah 1:25; 60:17; Daniel 11:35; Zechariah 13:9; and Malachi 3:2, 3.

It looks to me, however, like Jehovah forgot to empty the old dirty water out of Jesus’ cleaning bucket and replace it with clean, soapy, warm water. When you look at all the foolishness around for such a very long time after 1919, I don’t think Jesus would be asked again to go on that cleaning job. If that’s the way he cleans, maybe he should be put on landscaping duty.

(Secret hint: it’s all, as the English would say, a whole lot of bollocks!)