Looking at this from a purely scientific, psychological, anthropological perspective, it is really just a common example of “superstitious behavior.” It’s the same internal mechanism of the human mind which drives people to make a bloody sacrifice to “the gods” to make it rain, or to blame some “devil” or “demon” when things go wrong. I like to read between the lines and see the forest of trees as a whole in understanding human behavior as enigmatic yet advanced biological functioning.
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by Hortensia inmy neighbor told me she had been talking about me recently.
"i was saying to carrie in the office i just don't see how anyone can deny the existence of a higher power.
she needed some q-tips, and found a box of them on the free table by the office.
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Montreal Gazette: 'Homosexuals like you in tight pants,' JW leader says
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://montrealgazette.com/life/turning-the-page-homosexuals-like-you-in-tight-pants-jehovahs-witness-leader-says-reportsturning the page: 'homosexuals like you in tight pants,' jehovah's witness leader says reportsjillian page, montreal gazette more from jillian page, montreal gazette.
published on: november 12, 2014 last updated: november 12, 2014 11:33 pm est.
skin-tight pants are a no-no in public, church leader says,.
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I think that it’s great that the GB members are being more prominently exposed and well-known as celebrities among the JWs, as well as appearing more and more on YouTube and in various newspaper blogs. It just creates all the more occasions for them to inevitably put their feet in their mouths. (Spandex is evil? Really now!)
And their new TV studio is a good thing too, because I think that it does more to show the world just how out-of-touch and ridiculously backward the WTS really is. Maybe next they will include a regular segment of their show just for the kids, sort of like a modern-day Mickey Mouse Club: Stephen “Rubber Face” Lett could put on some kind of corny sock puppet show for the kids. Mark Sanderson could do some juggling act. Geoffrey Jackson could paint and suit himself up as a clown, blow up wiener balloons and twist them into little poodles. Maybe they could even have Samuel Herd do some tap-dancing like Arthur Duncan on the Lawrence Welk Show – complete with the accordions and a soap bubble blowing machine.
Yes, indeed, as far as all the goofy antics of the GB showing up everywhere now, I say, Bring it on. The ship is sinking, so might as well send in the clowns!
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Will Elders Still Perform Marriages If The Sister Doesn't Marry At Least A Ministerial Servant?
by minimus inbased upon the last big meeting this past weekend, would it be proper for an elder to perform a wedding ceremony if the brother is not at least a mini servant?.
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If a couple in good standing is actually denied marriage just because the brother is not a ministerial servant, then the couple should definitely go to a Catholic church and get married there as a big F-you to the WTS! They would have every right to do so, and if they end up getting disfellowshipped as a result of it, then they should have an article about their experience printed in the local newspaper. That would only be fair. How dare the corrupt WTS try to enforce their kooky little rules on people even more than before!
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My Breaking Point -- 11/9/14
by game1914over ini have enjoyed reading your comments during the past four years.
deep down inside, i have always been agnostic.
the first few chapters in genesis are contradictory and differing.. no one has ever been able to answer my question: "why was satan ever created?".
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To “AnnOMaly”: Thank you for your clarification. You’re absolutely right. It was Raymond Franz who was the one commissioned by the GB to take a fresh look at the 607 BCE teaching as part of his compilation of the Aid to Bible Understanding book. Carl Olof Jonsson was simply researching an enquiry he came across from a householder in the field service – and he certainly did quite a fine job of it! When he decided to show his findings to the GB, they weren’t too thrilled with the results of his research – and for good reason, as it completely took out the 1914 card out from the bottom of their little house of cards. My hat is off to Ray and Carl – they were two men with balls of steel and hearts of gold.
To “game1914over”: Great pick for a user name. That name is the real truth – and a most bitter truth to swallow for the WTS!
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Weekend of November 15-16 "Outrageous sock day at your local KH!"
by Separation of Powers ini am encouraging everyone here to go out a buy some outrageous socks for next week's meetings.
make a statement!
thank you to poster oppostate for the idea!!!.
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“Theredeemer”: “Tight pants and socks!!”
How about tight leather pants, with some chrome studs and chains and some Armor All car dashboard protector spray to give it all a shine. Sort of Village People style.
“cultBgone”: “I love the white socks with black pants idea . . . it's Apostasy that cannot be called apostasy.”
No, it’s not called “apostasy.” It’s called “brazen conduct” – which, incidentally, is apostasy.
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My Breaking Point -- 11/9/14
by game1914over ini have enjoyed reading your comments during the past four years.
deep down inside, i have always been agnostic.
the first few chapters in genesis are contradictory and differing.. no one has ever been able to answer my question: "why was satan ever created?".
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To: “game1914over”: Welcome officially to the discussion board! From your user name it is obvious that you have seen enough to realized that the WT’s 1914 teaching is totally false. A former JW, Carl Olof Jonsson, was asked by the GB to research any historical evidence to support the WT’s 607 BC/1914 CE model. What Mr. Jonsson found was irrefutable evidence that the WT had stretched the historical chronology by exactly 20 years in order to accommodate its precious 1914 chronology. He published a detailed book called “The Gentile Times Reconsidered,” which totally and absolutely blows the 1914 thing right out of the water, and reading it only re-confirmed to me that the JWs are, in fact, false prophets acting toward their own self-serving agenda.
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November 2015 article- "Boxers or Briefs? The Biblical position on girding your loins"
by Separation of Powers inthere is no room for self-expression in a cult.
this weekend's condemnation fest proved that.
looking forward to the november 2015 article, "boxers or briefs?
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Maybe to justify their stance on not wearing spandex pants, they will point to the great pyramid of Giza in Egypt and also the Soviet space satellite “Sputnik 1” and say something like this:
“Well, we can see that none of the mummies found in the tombs were shown to be wearing any spandex products. Of course not! Why? Because, according to the encyclopedia, ‘Spandex or elastane is a synthetic fiber known for its exceptional elasticity. . . . It is a polyester-polyurethane copolymer that was invented in 1958 by chemist Joseph Shivers at DuPont's Benger Laboratory in Waynesboro, Virginia.’ And, as you know, 1958 was a year which overlapped the 12-month year period beginning on October 4, 1957, on which day saw the launch of the first artificial earth satellite, called ‘Sputnik 1,’ which the Soviet Union launched into an elliptical low earth orbit – thus ushering in the age when strange sights would be seen in the heavens; i.e., the space age. So, therefore, is it not logical to conclude, brothers, that this worldly and debased spandex stuff was never intended by Jehovah, as clearly none of the mummified corpses we see in the Egyptian tombs in the pyramids have any traces of it, and also the year of its invention, 1958, overlaps the 12-month year period beginning in October 1957, the year which saw the introduction of those strage sights in the heavens? So, would spandex be something for Christians? Did Jesus ever wear spandex? Govern yourselves accordingly, brothers!”
Ya, I can just hear them saying something like that to try to justify their usual not-so-iron-clad reasoning.
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I have two take aways from the zoned out meeting
by Sour Grapes inout of three hours only two things really caught my attention.
i was surprised there was no special annoucements or more new light.
the first thing is that we know that the org is having a difficult time having young males reach out to be a ministerial servents to carry microphones and adjust the height of the podium.
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“StarTrekAngel”: “Would your faith not be tested if you came to find out that your beloved God is a bad parent? I mean, c’mon, how worst can it possibly get? Jesus did not even get baptized by age 23, much less become an MS. What kind of father spends millions of years teaching his son with such poor outcome?”
Well, maybe they were just a spiritually weak family. (You know, God and Jesus.) I guess they should have the GB arrange a shepherding call for them. They have such infinite wisdom to share with them, don’t you know.
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David Splane Destroys the Very Foundation of 1914- Corp. Meeting New Light
by scotoma inat the corporate meeting david splane discusses the use and misuse of types/antitypes.. the main qualifier of a type is that an account must be represented in the scriptures as a. type of some future event.. he quoted schroeder who said if an account isnt explained in the scriptures as a type than you.
shouldnt use the event as a type.. splane summed up his talk by saying if the bible is silent - we must be silent.. but they go right on celebrating the 100 years from 1914 which was determined by improperly.
going beyond anything written in the bible about nebuchadnezzars tree dream.. the bible specifically refers to the immense tree as representing nebuchadnezzar.. daniel explained it and that should be the end of the matter.. .
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“Finkelstein”: “God has provided with new light and the new light tells us that Jesus didn't take his heavenly throne in 1914 because in reality there was no calculation to be made by his living devoted servants.”
Precisely. And to back it up most conclusively, all I have to say is: “The Gentile Times Reconsidered,” by Carl Olof Jonsson. That book, which I have read, TOTALLY and THOROUGHLY blows the WTS’ spurious 1914 crap right out of the water . . . BIGTIME!
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David Splane Destroys the Very Foundation of 1914- Corp. Meeting New Light
by scotoma inat the corporate meeting david splane discusses the use and misuse of types/antitypes.. the main qualifier of a type is that an account must be represented in the scriptures as a. type of some future event.. he quoted schroeder who said if an account isnt explained in the scriptures as a type than you.
shouldnt use the event as a type.. splane summed up his talk by saying if the bible is silent - we must be silent.. but they go right on celebrating the 100 years from 1914 which was determined by improperly.
going beyond anything written in the bible about nebuchadnezzars tree dream.. the bible specifically refers to the immense tree as representing nebuchadnezzar.. daniel explained it and that should be the end of the matter.. .
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“Vidiot”: “From what I've seen, hardcore True Believers would rather go down with the ship then jump ship, because jumping ship is tantamount to acknowledging that the ship is going down in the first place, and I'm sorry, but I simply can't imagine the WTS ever admitting that to such a degree (even if just by their actions).”
That certainly appears to be true, considering the more contemporary popular cults such as David Koresh’s Branch Dividians, Marshall Applewhite’s Heaven’s Gate, etc. – they do tend to try to play their game right to the bitter end (or sometimes a big fireball, literally).
“Simon”: “Eventually they end up balanced high atop a house of cards that only has one direction to go.”
I think that the WT has been trying to assemble their little house of cards in a big windstorm, because everything they try to construct (or contrive) just ends up being blown down by those two significant enemies of theirs: recorded history, and obvious logical fallacy.
“EdenOne”: “This recent view of Gog opens the door to an interpretation of an aggression from ANY type of enemy of God's people. And THAT may well be the media, the courts, etc.”
That reminds me of how “Judge” Rutherford would initiate those very provocative altercations whereby people would start preaching blatantly and defiantly against false religion and even the government right out in public, and any backlash they received was, of course, deemed “persecution.” You are right that “by forcing the hand of the authorities to persecute them,” that was just playing right into the hand of Rutherford’s contrived “win-win situation.” He might have thought that to be rather clever, but that only can be played out for so long (before people start to catch on, that is!).
Personally, I think that in terms of either the GB’s awareness or their plain stupidity of what they’re doing (or trying to do), it’s probably a bit of both: the GB knowing full well that things aren’t exactly adding up smoothly regarding the outworking of their WT prophecies; BUT, at the same time, I think that they overestimate their own capabilities and that they are, at least to some degree, self-misled – they just aren’t aware of how much they are. And, of course, in the end they are just yet another example of those who are consumed by their own defects of character – namely pride and greed. Religious charlatanry has always been thick on the ground – some make it big financially, some don’t. But to more and more folks, like me, it’s all really just a big bubbling cauldron of dirty puke!