You know, my dad who is a very long-standing and well-known elder, used to scare me about Armageddon since I was just a very young little kid, saying things like, “Just wait until Armageddon. You’ll be shaking in your boots!”Also, he would always scare me about the “unforgivable sin” of sinning against the holy spirit, which is how I got my user name here. I had reoccurring nightmares since childhood of an approaching dark storm with tornado funnels.That is the worst kind of abuse – screwing with a young child’s mind, due to being influenced by a corrupt, narcissistic, and self-serving organization (cult!) masquerading as a “religion” – and supposedly the one-and-only “true” one at that. And that kind of fear, guilt, and shame stay with a person for life! I think that is even worse than the pedophilia thing.
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by Tornintwo ini am in complete shock!
bearing in mind i still class myself as 'doubting' and still have/had respect for some jw teachings, well i can't believe what i just listened to from a member of the governing body.
im sure a lot of you have seen this but for anyone new like me, you have to see this.
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Should I Make My Wife Watch the May Broadcast?
by TTATTelder infor some background, i am still in.
still an elder.
very much awake.
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“Pete Zahut”: “It also was about never begging for money, in the literature, which so far hasn't happened" (to my knowledge.”
But, Pete, don’t forget that article they put in the WT at least every year about donating to the organization and all the various methods to go about it (wills, trusts, real estate, insurance policies, jewelry, etc.). Here is a link to yet the very latest example of what I mean: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2014923
Enough said.
“OneEyedJoe”: “There are examples in the bible of god's organization going astray (mostly bad kings) but most of the time it resulted in the deaths of thousands”That is an excellent point! Both with those Israelite kings who went “apostate” (plenty of them!) in the Old Testament and the arrogant, hypocritical Jewish religious leaders in the the New Testament, there were many thousands of deaths – of course, especially in that god-awful, viscous Old Testament! And that makes me think of the many thousands of human casualties – including the totally senseless deaths of young children and babies – due to the WTS’ cruel and unfounded blood transfusion policy. Well, like I said – excellent point!
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Photo from Bible Teach book was one of the top posts on /r/WTF today
by Richard_I ina pic from the bible teach book was posted on reddit's popular /r/wtf subreddit where people post things that make you say "what the fuck" out loud.
this was the photo and you can read the thread's comments here.
it was one of the most-upvoted pictures today on the subreddit.. i visit that subreddit once in awhile and laughed out loud when i saw the thread..
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I’ve actually been having nightmares about a dark storm approaching since childhood thanks to such morbidly terrifying drawings, such as this one from the big orange book published 1958 called From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained:
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Should I Make My Wife Watch the May Broadcast?
by TTATTelder infor some background, i am still in.
still an elder.
very much awake.
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It would definitely be a good idea for you to play the May 2015 broadcast for your wife, but with a very important caveat – make sure that you first show her the promise by the WT’s founder, Charles Taze Russell, who wrote in the second edition of his Watch Tower of 1879: “‘Zion's Watch Tower’ has, we believe JEHOVAH for its backer, and while this is the case it will never beg nor petition men for support. When He who says: ‘All the gold and silver of the mountains are mine,’ fails to provide necessary funds, we will understand it to be time to suspend the publication.” Yes, definitely show her that! -
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Are You a 607 BCE Specialist?
by God_Delusion inhi guys & gals,.
we're currently preparing for the season finale of the show (to be recorded on sunday, may 24th at 2pm eastern time nyc / 6pm uk time / 4am sydney time.. as we're going to (finally) be covering 607 bce in detail, we're looking for a specialist (or two) that can come on the show and tell everyone about this almighty doctrine.
if you know your 587 from your 607 and why the 1914 and 1919 dates are important to jws (although most have no idea why), please send us an email to [email protected], using "i'm a 607er" in the subject line and let us know why we should pick you as a guest on the season finale.. can't wait to hear from you!.
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I have read Carl Olof Jonsson’s famous book, The Gentile Times Reconsidered, and I must say that with Mr. Jonsson’s most methodical, thorough, and logical work, there is absolutely nothing to worry about in refuting the WT’s uniquely idiosyncratic 607 doctrine. It completely and absolutely blows the WT’s 607 thing to smithereens!
It’s just another example of how the WT likes to be able to say that they’re the only “religion” in the whole world which advocates a particular interpretation of scripture . . . . similar to their erroneous blood transfusion policy. But, of course, being different from everybody else doesn’t necessarily win any brownie points for doctrinal accuracy or spiritual integrity!
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Looks like this New World would set people right back to the stone age . . . . as in technologically and as in, well, going back to those ancient Mosaic stonings.
All well. Since there wouldn’t be any malls or IMAX theaters to go to on a Saturday afternoon, at least one could find some thrilling entertainment by going to a nice public stoning. . . . . Yes, good times, good times. . . . <still sarcasm on> . . . . Can’t wait!
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5 Year Old "Ministers"
by minimus inall witnesses are ministers.
from the time a witness is baptized, they are considered ministers.
this religion is getting more ridiculous each passing day.
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They want to give the impression of baptizing people when they are supposedly old and mature enough to realize what they’re doing – which in WT world is apparently just old enough to start school – but while at the same time making sure that they get baptized – and thus feel “committed” to the WT organization and bound to it through family ties – early enough so that it’s before they would get a chance to investigate and discover TTATT.
That way, the WT can have it both ways – old enough to have outgrown their original infant/baby clothes, but still quite young enough to not dare to check the real facts and actually think for themselves!
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as long as shunning continues donations will be slow
by poopie inone of the reasons the watchtower is having problems with donations is because they have refuse to let go of wholesale across the board shunning.
the average publisher is sick of it and jehovah is withholding his full blessing.
when you do not show love to fellow humans you run the risk of not being able to show love which i'm turn has a direct relationship to your joy in turn if your not happy your not motivated to donate lots of money to and arrangement you perceive as unloving all you bethel lurkers convey this message to bro letters and rest of gb stop trying to convince fair minded people to support unloving shunning.
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Well, whenever they pass around those survey slips on which you’re supposed to write in an amount you pledge to donate when they announce a need to cover specific congregation expenses, I always conscientiously fill it in and submit it anonymously . . . . with a big fat ZERO! I’ve voted with my pocketbook, and I let them know it! -
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Hello, just introducing myself
by Miss Behaving ini've just signed up two days ago, but i've been lurking for about a year and a half.
here's my story if you're interested:.
my parents converted when they were in their first semester of college.
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Welcome to the board, “Miss Behaving”! It’s always good to see more and more people waking up to the real facts behind the Watchtower organization. I too am a born-in. I’ve been living in a strongly JW family since 1966, and I’m actually still stuck in it living with my folks. (Long story.)
Knowledge is certainly power. Keep a bird’s-eye-view perspective so you can see the entire forest as a whole from afar. The more you research the Watchtower organization, the more it becomes painfully obvious that it’s nothing more than a power-hungry, self-serving man-made outfit which is no more inspired than my foot!
It’s important that people such as ourselves having had such intense involvement with an undue-influence, high-control group like the JWs continue to benefit from therapy, because the after effects are not something that can just go away too quickly. This very discussion board was the thing that finally allowed me to wake up and confirm that I had indeed been raised in a cult. Keep gathering different objective perspectives, and make sure you don’t just accept any teachings by man, especially of a religious nature. Remember: religiosity is not the same thing as spirituality.
Take care, and best wishes for your personal journey of discovery.
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I SAT THROUGH TODAYS WT STUDY WITH A CHEEZER! !
by brandnew inmay 10th, the whole study was about covering up their mistakes, and putting it off on "recent refinements of understandings".. you could just look at the elder on stage and know he was not feelin this study.. when a neewbie answered and said" lots of unexpected changes are happening" i about fell outta my seat !
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“under the radar”: “That said, I don't really have a problem with the Society (or any religious group) changing their interpretation of various passages and prophecies, as long as they clearly announce that it is a change. I could actually respect a group that frankly admitted they were wrong before and explained why they believe they have it right now. You can always chalk it up to "further research and reflection" or more related information coming to light.”
I can maybe understand having to smooth over some small details of semantics on trivial matters, but when it comes to changing the very end from 1914 to 1915 and then back to 1914 but as the beginning of the Lord’s Day; then deliberately setting up significant dates supposedly of Armageddon, especially 1925 and 1975; then changing the whole structure and meaning of Jesus’ end-time parables, such as the separating of the sheep and goats, and the wise and foolish virgins; and then, more of late, changing the very identity of the faithful and discreet slave itself and its fundamental role in the kingdom arrangement, . . . . well, that’s a bit much, . . . . especially for a small handful of men claiming to actually be God’s one-and-only representative mouthpiece in all the whole world, solely led by God’s holy spirit! Ya, I would say that is a bit much indeed.
