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  Call for Judicial Hearing by signed letter

  by sp74bb in

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  i'm quite surprised about the new approach of some local congregation brothers respect about my fade.... funny, ilegal and very dangerous in view of the different laws regarding personal data and minorities in spain and in the eu.... i already organized a press meeting with main newspapers in spain.

  many has shown interest in this situation.

  the fact of that a parallel judicial system do exist is amazing them.

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  I don’t see anything illegal or wrong in itself with the letter from the congregation elders in the original post. The letter stated: “We tried to call you several ways but we were unable.” So, to me it appears that, in all fairness, the elders were just trying to do what they thought was their due diligence in informing Mr. López in writing of the letter they received from someone making an accusation, and formally requesting him to attend a judicial meeting to hopefully ascertain and clarify the facts of the matter to come to some kind of resolution. The purpose of the letter from the elders was to just to confirm whether or not Mr. López would be attending the proposed judicial meeting, and to provide the opportunity for him to let them know in writing whether or not he still wishes to be considered a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

  That’s really all the elders were trying to do by sending the letter. There was no mention of any kind of threat or judgment. The letter was simply to confirm whether or not Mr. López was going to attend the judicial meeting and to ask if he still wants to be a Jehovah’s Witness. They just wanted to confirm the situation and where things stand so they can tie up the loose ends in their written records.

  Now, the nature and disposition of any actual judicial meetings with the elder committee would be a different matter completely. Don’t get me wrong – I don’t believe it’s proper, fair, or even legal in any general, “natural” law sense the way these kangaroo court judicial meetings are run, which tend to be very authoritarian, arbitrary, and high-handed. That part, if it should come to that, deserves some outside scrutiny, as well as media involvement, to be sure.

  But as for the elders’ letter itself in the original post, I think it was basically just requesting clarification of the status of Mr. López’s attendance at the meeting. While the elders, as well as the Watch Tower corporation, would certainly have some sort of accountability in their actions at any judicial hearing, it’s nevertheless only fair and reasonable for the elders to at least be able to know whether or not to expect him to attend.
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  JW remark about blood transfusion

  by Gorbatchov in

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  recent i had a conversation with an old jw friend.

  he told me his mother rejected a blood transfusion in a critical fase, and survived it, and of course it's good to hear that she makes it good now.. what me triggered, was a remark he made about what the elder of the hospital committee told him.. this elder praised the mother of my old friend because of rejecting the transfusion.

  the elder told them that most jehovah's witness in the netherlands take a blood transfusion when their life is at stake.

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  “Gorbatchov”: “So, my observation is that although the doctrine is still there, most witnesses in more "individual" cultures like here in Holland choose to make their own decision.”

  That is the way it is in reality. But the WT tries to make everyone, including their own members as well as the general public, think that by far the vast majority of JWs always remain united and loyal to the organization, even to death. However, the WT will never allow an accurate picture of the situation to become known. (And don’t even dare say the word “Bulgaria”!)
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  Australian freelance writer on The Everyday Life of a Jehovah`s Witness.

  by smiddy in

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  lewis edwards is an australian freelance journalist / writer who has written a series of articles about jehovah`s witnesses in "the news hub" , the latest on the 9/15/ 2016. very well written on " the everyday life of a jehovahs witness".

  i reccomend you read it.. jarrod booth also has an extremely interesting article in this publication .

  "the news hub".

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  Excellent article, “smiddy”/“blondie”! Quite reasonable, and spot-on.

  Another article from that same Australian News Hub Website regarding the Watch Tower’s Hospital Liaison Committees (HLC) and Patient Visitation Groups (PVG) is very much worth reading! I think that everyone in our local communities should read this brief but very telling article, at:

  https://www.the-newshub.com/general/hlc-pvg-jehovahs-witness-death-squads-coerce-medical-suicide
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  September 17th 19...

  by LogansRun in

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  one decision one day one event , today is the anniversary of the plunge that ruined my life .i was young and now i'm old and feel screwed over - ok my personal pity party is over if you made it this far thank you for just being out there.. now my fading update, no meetings for 3 weeks they don't know yet i'm not coming back but thanks to this site and many helpful youtube stories i have some tools to know how to play this game.

  because this is a fade i have not been able to tell my story but it really is unique ,i can say at this time there is no wife or kids involved but i do have siblings in this and my oldest brother is a super strict witness to the point of being a bully but thankfully most of my extended family are not j-dubs and that's what's going to help me get through this along with all of you .

  have a great day folks !.

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  Congratulations, “LogansRun,” on your, I assume intentional, three-week absence from the cult meetings (intentional as opposed to being laid up in the hospital or something). You’re on the right track now. Instead of focusing on the anniversary of your baptism (coercion dunk), now you can focus, with pride, on whatever will be the anniversary date of your taking charge of the rest of your life and actually accomplishing your long-overdue escape from the WT mind prison.

  Good luck on making your total escape from the cult a reality! Keep us posted.
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  Update: Got my Judicial Committee cancelled

  by Sanchy in

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  original thread here.

  update: so, after the meeting i had with elders a few weeks ago as outlined in my original thread, they met as a body and once again called to tell me that after considering my case they still thought a judicial committee should be held against me and asked to be there "thursday at 7:30".

  all of this, i remind you, because of posting coc on facebook.

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  Whether or not you go the route of “apologizing” and backpedalling (grovelling) is up to you, but, in any event, I would continue to post CoC, along with other such books which expose the WT organization, at least in a crafty, anonymous way – if not on FB, then at least you could post some such links on various general JW sites, or even post them on certain JW’s personal FB pages in a totally anonymous, untraceable manner (perhaps create a second FB account under a fictitious alias for that purpose, like people do on this site). It would be less risk, but it would still give you the satisfaction of contributing to exposing the WT organization for what it really is.
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  Memorial Services

  by penny2 in

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  all jw memorial services i've been to have been similar.

  a couple of sentences about the deceased and then it's all about the religion.

  very impersonal and scripted.

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  The thing to remember is that the Watch Tower organization is really just a business. (Run by a cult masquerading as a religion.) And like any cold-hearted business, marketing strategies are always going to be used in everything, even in a funeral for one of their own.
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  JWs and Field Service Attire

  by laverite in

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  this morning the jws are working my neighborhood.

  i have a birds eye view from my upstairs office.

  on my side of the street is three men with a baby in a stroller.

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  Well, at least the men were, in fact, wearing ties. After all, men’s ties are the “keys of the kingdom.” They’ll get into the new system paradise, for sure. I mean, they wear ties, right? (If they’re pedophiles, that’s okay. That might get fixed up sometime in the Christ’s 1000-year reign. Maybe.)
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  Canadian Appeal Court decision made the news: Judges can overturn unfair church edicts

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  http://news.nationalpost.com/news/religion/alberta-appeal-court-rules-judges-can-overturn-unfair-church-edicts.

  the other day, this court decision was posted on jwn along with a link to the court document, but few expected the media to pick up the story.

  so to all involved, i understand it was a surprise to see the story in print.

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  “OrphanCrow”: “The 15 year old child that was shunned and the parents being pressured by the elders to kick her out of the home - depriving a child of shelter and home is a violation of the International Rights of the Child. That could become an issue as well in this case.”

  Good point – especially considering the gravity with which the law deals with other matters relating to minor children, such as sexual dealings with anyone under the legal “age of consent,” or even parents being arrested for just letting their child walk unattended to play on the swings at the nearby park! But parents actually kicking their own 15-year-old child out on their own just to comply with a dark-ages-style religious outfit like the WT seems even more dangerous, and damaging, on so many levels.
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  Canadian Appeal Court decision made the news: Judges can overturn unfair church edicts

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  http://news.nationalpost.com/news/religion/alberta-appeal-court-rules-judges-can-overturn-unfair-church-edicts.

  the other day, this court decision was posted on jwn along with a link to the court document, but few expected the media to pick up the story.

  so to all involved, i understand it was a surprise to see the story in print.

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  “William Penwell”: “I can see the WT, if they haven't already done this, getting elders to sign some sort of release saying that any decisions made by a local JC be held solely libel and the WT is off the hook. In other words if anyone is ever sued would be the local JC, leaving the WT off the hook.”

  According to the WT, whenever it comes to their authority structure in the consideration of any policy or teaching, the governing body is always held up as the final word, no matter what. (I.e., “Do whatever we say, or else! We’re Almighty God’s one-and-only mouthpiece on earth!”) However, whenever it comes to any kind of specific liability or accountability issues, then the WT will always say, “Oh, well, that must be a decision made by one of our lowly congregations, which all operate independently from us here at WT headquarters, so therefore it’s their own fault and responsibility. But not us here at WT. Oh, no, we have nothing to do with what any of our lowly, independent congregations do!” (But, of course, the WT still wants to keep financial ownership and control of all those lowly little Kingdom Halls and their properties!)

  
  
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  Is changing the "truth" / presenting "new light" really so bad?

  by Zana in

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  playing devil's advocate here.... what's the difference between the gb changing bible interpretations compared to parliaments all over the world changing laws?

  although the us constitution (=bible) remains untouched, congress passes i don't know how many new laws every year.

  and of course people are expected to follow them.

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  “Village Idiot”: “Sorry, but politicians do act like gods and believe that they have a monopoly on the "Truth".”

  True. That, unfortunately, can happen. . . . . Just ask North Korean president Kim Jong-un.