Posts by SAHS

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Feeling indifferent

by campaign of hate in

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right now, at this point in my life, i feel like i should be angry, sad, upset, annoyed, whatever emotion that most of you guys here feel or have felt.. but the overwhelming feeling i get, and i have got since waking up, is indifference.. i think that this might be my subconscious coping mechanism.

when i go to the meetings or take part in any other wt related activity, i don't care.

i just really couldn't care less.. i mean, i do care, but i think it's more a fascination now about the whole thing.

SAHS

“freemindfade”: “I think it’s more a fascination now about the whole thing. It actually does interest me, the ins and outs of the Cult.”

I look at it as getting to observe firsthand what amounts to a real-life psychology/sociology “experiment”; that is, a naturally-occurring experiment showing how people can be motivated to seek power and to control others, and also how people can be unwittingly mislead and manipulated. It is, indeed, somewhat fascinating to watch the dynamics of a cult environment and to learn the scientific aspects of what is really going on behind the scenes in people’s minds from a general outsider’s perspective. It’s interesting just what makes various people tick.

“freemindfade”: “I do feel going is a waste of my time and life, but I am stuck doing it at the moment to be nice.”

I know exactly what that is like! I’m still having to go through that very same scenario.

“Phizzy”: “Right now I cannot be arsed to join in puerile discussions about JW's, about "taking down" the Org etc or discussing various minutea of Doctrine they have got wrong. . . . Most aspects of this fast failing business posing as a religion are not of interest to me.”

While it’s certainly good to be able to move on in a positive direction, I find for myself that I need to keep reaffirming the fact that the WT organization is not what it claims to be, and the best way for me to do that is by reminding myself of exactly how and why the WT organization is just a made-up and self-serving house of cards based on falsehoods. It’s therapeutic and helps support me along my journey of discarding the old fear and shame of JW-land and moving toward self-empowerment, healing, and freedom. Yes, for this “apostate” (me), it’s a kind of sweet medicine.

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Nightline program with segment on JWs has been changed until tomorrow night.

by AndersonsInfo in

i was at a criminal trial all day in murfreesboro, tn, involving the notorious jw who i call "mommy molester," angela montgomery.

this is the reason i didn't know until this evening that the nightline program with the segment on jws was changed until tomorrow night.

(i forgot my phone.

SAHS

“Quarterback”: “All we saw in Ontario for that time, and channel is an infomercial.”

I live in Ontario, not far from Toronto, and the TV guide on my “i.TV” app on my phone does, in fact, list “Nightline” to be airing at 12:37 a.m. in the early morning of Friday, March 13, 2015 (right after “Jimmy Kimmel Live”), on ABC, Rogers cable 18 (HDABC). I’ve set my PVR, and I’m quite hopeful. (Unlike the WT, our prophecies on here seem to actually come true.)

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door to door

by gda in

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some jw's at my daughters door saturday morning.

they said nothing, nada, zip, zero, and just passed the mags to her and left.

is there no interaction any more?

SAHS

When all is said and done, at the end of the day the Watchtower organization/corporation is a sales-driven, membership-hungry pyramid scheme (no pun intended – “pyramid,” Russell). And as with any type of pyramid scheme, the simple bottom line objective is ultimately to accumulate as many leads/members/followers as possible. More members = more followers = more influence/power = more “assets” (i.e., investments and liquidable capital) = $$$.

So, therefore (evidently), it’s in the best interests of those “humble” brothers at the top for all those folks down there doing the fancy footwork to get those tractazines and blue Website squares out there to as many people as possible – as quickly as possible – which apparently now means skipping the pleasantries and small talk.

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JW.ORG advertising on game/app review program.

by WHATSGOINGON in

i don't know if any of you have seen the video posted by mike and kim regarding jw.org advertising on a thailand computer game review television show.

its interesting - check it out.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57nigmnim18.

the show is called game show social - i looked at a few of the videos and jw.org is on a lot of them.. at first i thought that it was a review of a jw.org app but when you look at other videos jw.org is on a lot of them as a sponsor as well as dell lg and others.. wgo..

SAHS

Hmmm . . . . now, what was it that Charles Taze Russell wrote way back when, supposedly under Spirit-Direction:

“Zion’s Watch Tower” has, we believe, JEHOVAH for its backer, and while this is the case it will never beg nor petition men for support. When He who says: “All the gold and silver of the mountains are mine,” fails to provide necessary funds, we will understand it to be time to suspend the publication. – August 1879 Watchtower, p. 2.

Oh ya. That’s what he wrote. (That’s what I thought.)

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JW.org is sponsoring now??????

by wannaexit in

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please pay close attention at the beginning 0.36-0.47 when sponsors are seen.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8yaxdra8f9q#t=47.

SAHS

Well, the WTS does have one heck of a lot of money which they could spend on ads to sponser things, but I don’t think they would be humble enough to submit to “worldly” enterprises in that way. No, they would much rather work their slave labor to death to serve their advertising needs, like they’ve been doing all along. I’ll bet that blue JW logo you see placed in that asian video clip was put there as a freebie by an actual loyal and zealous JW. The WTS won’t even allow the stadium concession stands to be open during district/regional conventions because they don’t want to have a “worldly atmosphere,” for God’s sake!

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Jehovah's Witnesses Are Believers But Know Not What They Teach

by minimus in

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they simply belong to a religion.

they cannot explain why they follow all the dictates of the organization.

they live in blind faith.

SAHS

“Wrath of Jehu”: “Even as a young one of 4 yr's she knew the Bible dictate to "not mix with those of that sort". Spending any time with those not in the Truth could lead to suffering and...death, even it was her extended family and relatives. "If they don't love our Grand Creator who has so lovingly given HIS SON so that we may attain life everlasting, then I don't love them" were her exact words.”

Well, Mr. Jehu, it sure looks like you aren’t following the advice of this supposedly genius four-year-old girl, as I noticed that when you click on your user name, the profile that comes up states: “Joined 5 years ago.” So, um, like, . . . . What the hell have you been doing fraternizing and apparently revelling in this “apostate” Web site all this time? Looks like that four-year-old girl really beats your ass with personal integrity to your precious “mother organization”!

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Jehovah's Witnesses Are Believers But Know Not What They Teach

by minimus in

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they simply belong to a religion.

they cannot explain why they follow all the dictates of the organization.

they live in blind faith.

SAHS

“smiddy”: “Jehovah Witnesses are not students of the Bible, they are, to term the phrase loosely, students of the Watchtower and its publications. Which is never consistent from one ten year period to the next ten year period.”

Actually, now the teachings of the Watchtower organization are not consistent even within the same year – especially now with their new online televangelist station (“http://tv.jw.org”), where their teachings, and even their kingdom songs (corporate church hymns), can be changed and added to daily! Well, at least the “world” at large is now able to see their dog-and-pony show for what it is (a dog-and-pony show).

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Before knowing TTATT did you really believe in things as...

by roberto avon in

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did you really believe in things as ;- the earth is only 6000 years old- the 144.000- 1914, based upon the destructiono of jerusalem- harmagheddon or the end of the world coming soon???

?i married a jw when i was an interested person and studying with the jw's ( not the way they wanted) but i told my wife before marrying her that " most probably " i would never have been a jw.she accepted me as i was and married me.

after that i had interrupted the study for one year, i started all over again with an elder of my wife's cong.

SAHS

When I was growing up as a born-in (since 1966), I initially believed all those things the WT organization taught and that I was going to be in the “new system.” After all, I was only a little child.

Then, leading up to puberty (around 12 or 13 years old), I still believed all those things the WT organization taught, but I gradually started to doubt that I would survive Armageddon and eventually, especially my my later teen years, I became convinced that I had probably sinned against the holy spirt (thus my user name, “SAHS”).

But then, around the year 2003, I began privately researching TTATT and became a member of this online discussion forum (thank God!). And since then, I no longer believe that the WT organization has any legitimacy or validity whatsoever – and I also lost my fear of having sinning against the holy spirit and being condemned to die at Armageddon, as I am now an agnostic and leaning heavily toward evolutionary processes as the explanation for life.

So, now I have no belief in the WT or the JWs whatsoever – and that is my belief.

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Opening the Eyes of JWs Wasting Their Lives Away in Prisons Because of...Nothing

by Tempest in a Teacup in

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is there any practical way to let these people see the light?

has anything been already done to get the valuable information they need to them?

if yes, what has been the outcome?.

SAHS

“Esse quam videri”: “Why have no members of the Governing Body ever been imprisoned because of their faithful stand for righteousness?”

Well, actually, Franklin (“Judge”) Rutherford, along with seven other Watch Tower executives, were convicted and imprisoned in the summer of 1918 on charges of sedition because of opposing military service in Rutherford’s publications. Unfortunately, however, due to some technicalities, nine months later they were released on bail and the charges ended up being dropped in May of 1920. Too bad the governing body was never charged with crimes against humanity from its blood and shunning policies, which have resulted in many, many needless deaths regarding blood and suicides over shunning!

“Island Man”: “To learn that they’re in prison for a lie could utterly devastate them and lead to a mental breakdown or deep depression resulting in suicide.”

Or, perhaps, hopefully, it could cause the brother or sister to eventually wake up and lead to him or her being motivated enough to seek taking legal action against the Watchtower organization for messing up his or her life by imprisonment and then flip-flopping on their policy regarding alternative military service (such as the case with our own dear Terry Walstrom).

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Effect of reading here.

by New day in

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saomebody mentioned in a recent thread here i think that the more they read here the more they feel angry at the wt.

personally, as an ex-elder (only resigned a few months ago) i feel that it is more like suddenly being on the outside looking in at a whole group of people playing parts.

the zealous pioneers answering all the time.

SAHS

People get lured and indoctrinated into cults such as the WTS, and before long, whether or not they realize it, they are sewed into their little patch of a quilt comprising a web of power and control, being forced to continue serving the egocentric needs of a handful of elite and privileged leaders.

But what we have here at this Web forum is an opportunity to actively participate in our own process of clarity and healing, which is most enlightening, empowering, and therapeutic. And in that respect, I honestly believe that this process of discovery and true self-identity is something most positive and efficacious for us. Granted, our involvement here may resonate our feelings of betrayal and indignant anger, but this too is a healthy and necessary part of our journey in taking back our lives and finding ourselves. The alternative – which is to attempt at putting out of our minds our grief, frustration, and anger – can only result in bottling up our emotions until they suddenly take over any shred of logical reasoning and impede any constructive process of self-actualization and freedom to which we are certainly entitled and which is always within our grasp if only we would dare to exercise the most basic willingness to be true to ourselves.