Hell, they'll shun you if your farts don't smell right.
You mean JWs are allowed to "fart"????
Heather
FlyingHighNow
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disassociated without baptism
by detective ini believe there was a topic about disfellowshipping an unbaptized person awhile back but i can't remember enough of the details to find it.. i was speaking with a friend yesterday who was disassociated as a young teenager, complete with a reading to the congregation and shunning, despite the fact that this person was never baptized.. (i tipped my hand a bit by blurting out that they aren't supposed to be able to do that if you aren't baptized.
way to go, smartie!
nice way to play it cool with how much research this non-jw has done, but that's beside the point.).
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disassociated without baptism
by detective ini believe there was a topic about disfellowshipping an unbaptized person awhile back but i can't remember enough of the details to find it.. i was speaking with a friend yesterday who was disassociated as a young teenager, complete with a reading to the congregation and shunning, despite the fact that this person was never baptized.. (i tipped my hand a bit by blurting out that they aren't supposed to be able to do that if you aren't baptized.
way to go, smartie!
nice way to play it cool with how much research this non-jw has done, but that's beside the point.).
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FlyingHighNow
At one time they did treat non baptized publishers and those associating as if they were dfd or da'd. They changed that in the 80s, stopped doing it. It was a very, very foolish thing to do in the first place, don't ya think?
Heather
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Help! Please! My sister finds loophole...
by FlyingHighNow inthis past july, my only sister decided i was an apostate.
she contacted my former cong.
and spoke to the elders.
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FlyingHighNow
For those who are getting Outlook Express, it has something to do with Michael archangel01's post.
Thank you, Michael. I am wondering about the scriptures that are used to justify disfellowshipping people. Someone said something about treating sinners as the tax collectors. One of the apostles was a tax collector. Thank you for your offer of help. I'll let you know if there are any sciptural points she brings up that I need to address. I'm not sure she will give me that chance, though.
Thankyou, Chim Chim. You look so much like your mom, a real compliment by the way.
Maverick, now that I am calming down I am beginning to think if I err then I should err on the side of unconditional love. Thank you for your suggestion. The reason I edited my original post is because I love my sister dearly and I didn't want my post to sound overly harsh in her direction.
Wolfgirl, I will hope that your sister wakes up. And if she isn't to wake up, I hope she will at least not write you any more mean e-mails. I think sometimes that those still in, even the most loyal, know in the deepest recesses of their hearts and minds the gov bod is not God's mediator. I think those still in are not always aware of the burning jealousy they feel towards those of us who have the courage to leave and fly away to freedom.
Thank you everyone, even those of you just reading and feeling fellow feeling but feeling what you could offer has already been said. I feel your concern.
Love,
Heather
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FlyingHighNow
Welcome FlyingHighNow. Hope you have as much fun here as the rest of us.
It's starting to get that way. Thank you so much. Interesting moniker by the way. Heather
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Help! Please! My sister finds loophole...
by FlyingHighNow inthis past july, my only sister decided i was an apostate.
she contacted my former cong.
and spoke to the elders.
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FlyingHighNow
That's pretty much what I said to her. No response, naturally.
Wolfgirl,
My sister told me she and the elders think that I am mentally ill. I asked her if she really thinks this then is it Christian for her or the elders to treat me like this? It's easier for them to believe that I am mentally ill than to accept that I chose to leave. But then they have no pity or concern for the mentally ill little old me? Aaaaaaaaaaaa!
Heather
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......and by the way ................welcome!!!
mac
Thank you, Mackie!!! Have a piece of .
Heather
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FlyingHighNow
Thank you Xena, Mac(I won't tell if you won't tell), SNS. You all are so nice. Gosh. You really made my night. Hey, I'm being serious here. And why are we all up? Am I the one with insomnia and you all are in England or Australia or somewhere?
Hugs and kisses to you all.
Heather
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Help! Please! My sister finds loophole...
by FlyingHighNow inthis past july, my only sister decided i was an apostate.
she contacted my former cong.
and spoke to the elders.
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FlyingHighNow
If you want to call them, or drop by, or whatever, do the normal, human thing, and dis-avow that any rules of their ignorance even apply to you. Then let them deal with how they will handle it.
Sentinel,
You're right, she is the one allowing their rules to govern her relationship with me. I personally don't give a flying fig about their rules. Thank you.
Heather
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Help! Please! My sister finds loophole...
by FlyingHighNow inthis past july, my only sister decided i was an apostate.
she contacted my former cong.
and spoke to the elders.
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FlyingHighNow
I suggest you lay out what you need, clearly. This is what you said.
I don't know whether I should speak with you on the phone or not I feel like only speaking about my nephew will be demeaning and depressing. I don't deserve to be treated like I am an untouchable. If you are ready to talk to me, sister-to-sister, then I am ready to open the lines of communication.
How about sending this to her by e-mail, and let the chips fall where they may? It is then up to your sister if she is will respond well. Be prepared to live with it if she doesn't.
Jgnat,
I will ponder this and let it sink in. What you suggested just might make her think, even if she doesn't ever let me know about it.
Thank you.
Heather
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Help! Please! My sister finds loophole...
by FlyingHighNow inthis past july, my only sister decided i was an apostate.
she contacted my former cong.
and spoke to the elders.
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FlyingHighNow
((((((((flyhighnow))))))))thinking of you at this insane time...when they will get it, is beyond me...morty
I hope she gets it very soon. Thank you so much for the hug.
Why would your sister think she would get a letter from the elders? It doesn't happen that way. ...
It sounds as though your sister recieved instructions from the elders when she called, telling her to stay away from you if you were talking or acting like an apostate and were a spiritual danger. ...
You say it has been 4 and a half months you have been dealing with this ......and nobody has contacted you on the matter yet? No elders have tried to contact you?
GumbyI guess she thinks that after I go groveling to the elders I can beg them to write her a letter telling her that I did so and that now I am okay to talk to.
My sister actually wasn't told by the elders to shun me. She was advised by my sister in law to do this. My sister in law has a sister she considers to be in the same boat. Probably my sister was seen as a busybody by the elders.
The elders have not contacted me. They do not have my address. Could this be why they haven't contacted me? I am 900 miles away from them. My exhusband could relay info to me but he hasn't. He has my phone number. Also, my sister, exhusband and the elders have decided I must be mentally ill. Am I being shown mercy because I'm "daft"? Who knows.
However, they aren't allowed to acknowledge it officially, which means that they want me to pretend to be "repentant" so that they can pretend to be "forgiving". Bull.
Wow, LWolf, that really sucks. I can't imagine how disheartening that was to you at the time. I bet you feel like they did you a favor now. Maybe the cosmic powers of the universe said to each other that, "Lone Wolf is too nice to be part of this cruel organization. Let's get LWolf out NOW."
It looks to me like your sister is a prime candidate for the same treatment. In reality, she needs to be disfellowshipped for running ahead of the congregation in "disfellowshipping" you! What arrogance!
I love this. Ever since she became a JW she has had an arrogant and cruel streak.
But again maybe just a little information now and again won't kill either one of you --- IMO Panda
True, true. Thank you.
If she won't talk to you, she shouldn't talk to you period.
It sounds like she talks to your daughter (does she live at home).
It sounds like your sister wants to get infomation about your family in a way that benefits herself and not you. Pretty selfish.James 2:13---For the one that does not practice mercy will have [his] judgment without mercy. Mercy exults triumphantly over judgment.BlondieI feel like if I am not good enough to talk to about other things then why is it okay for her to speak to me on the phone about my nephew? She got the info to me through my daughter: why isn't she thinking that she will relay the rest of the info that way?
My daughter doesn't live with me. She's on her own, married with two children. She is not a JW thank goodness.
"Mercy exults triumphantly over judgment" Somehow, I think many elder bodies have missed this point. I wonder though if this is why the elder body back in my old cong. hasn't dealt with me yet.
Blondie, thank you for reminding me of this scripture.
My sister has done the same thing to me. She sent me an email saying she would only contact me in cases of family emergencies or important health matters, etc.
Last email I received from my sister was quite nasty, and she accused me of not treating her like a human being, which I found rather ironic.Sorry you're going through the same nonsense. Wolf GirlWolfgirl, your sister sounds even more heartless than mine. I edited out the part of my post about the cruelties my sis has subjected me to. Where is Jesus' golden rule operating here? Why is it okay to throw out so called christian values when dealing people who have rejected WT teachings? They only have to act like christians when it's convenient for them? It would seem so. I seem to remember Jesus having "pity for the crowds because they were skinned and thrown about like sheep without a shepherd." He also asked God to forgive his killers because they didn't understand what they were doing. I have fellow feeling for you. It's a shame they are not contacting you about the things they said they would. How heartless of them.
They may have started it, but I get to end it, Gary B.
I get this kind of thought, too. I don't know whether I'll give in to it. I do understand completely though.
Tell her that if she wants any contact, she will have to come over and have a meal with you - a disfellowshipping offense.
Don't let her cult set the conditions of your relationship - demand all or nothing. This sets you free to love her and forgive her, but not to suffer under the yoke of the cult anymore.CZARThis goes along with what Gary said. If I didn't live a couple of thousand miles away this might acutally be an option. It's not like she has no way to get the word to me other than the phone.She can e-mail me or speak through my daughter. If I am so dangerous to speak to, why is it okay to make an exception now? It would make sense if there were no other way to contact me but the phone. She doesn't have my number or address. I guess she really wants my phone number badly.
I don't like playing by the WT rules, like you said, being under the yoke of the cult is not very palatable.
Thank you all so much for your kind responses. If you think of anything else that might help me please PM me or post here. I'm grateful for your input.
Heather