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  Dead pregnant woman forced to stay on life support, due to TX State law

  by adamah in

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  there's an interesting medicolegal issue arising out of tx, a pregnant women who suffered a pulmonary embolism in november and died (when she was 14 weeks pregnant).. however, the body has been kept on life-support all this time (against her and her husband's wishes), due to an ambiguous tx state law (tex hs.

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  166.049) which actually blocks the ability of the patient and family to decide:.

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  FlyingHighNow

  JT, neither the doctors, nor you or I know if the Texas festus suffered oxygen deprivation.
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  Dead pregnant woman forced to stay on life support, due to TX State law

  by adamah in

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  there's an interesting medicolegal issue arising out of tx, a pregnant women who suffered a pulmonary embolism in november and died (when she was 14 weeks pregnant).. however, the body has been kept on life-support all this time (against her and her husband's wishes), due to an ambiguous tx state law (tex hs.

  code ann.

  166.049) which actually blocks the ability of the patient and family to decide:.

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  FlyingHighNow

  However, considering it takes only ~8 minutes of oxygen deprivation to render a person brain dead, seconds clearly matter. So the baby is what, 7 minutes, 6.5 minutes without oxygen? Severaly disabled as opposed to a functioning brain stem?

  Scroll up and look at my ponderings on the mammalian dive reflex. Also, look at what Samswife posted about babies who were born later, after their mothers died, with a beginning similar gestational age, 15 weeks.

  This is hardly a science experiment. Babies have survived and come out healthy from similar situations.
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  Pray while driving

  by StopTheTears in

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  i just finished a 2,500 mile trip.. something i regularly do is to pray for each and every church that i pass on such trips.

  if god in his providence has me passing a church, then surely it is important to pray for that congregation.. .

  the next time you pass a church, if this practice comes to mind, lift them up before the throne.

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  FlyingHighNow

  Even though I am polite and mannerly and would never flip a person off, I admit to flipping off Kingdom Halls from time to time. I don't raise my hand to where other drivers can see it though. I don't want to spark off any road rage. I'm flipping off the religion though, not the individuals who might be in the building at the time.
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  Dead pregnant woman forced to stay on life support, due to TX State law

  by adamah in

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  there's an interesting medicolegal issue arising out of tx, a pregnant women who suffered a pulmonary embolism in november and died (when she was 14 weeks pregnant).. however, the body has been kept on life-support all this time (against her and her husband's wishes), due to an ambiguous tx state law (tex hs.

  code ann.

  166.049) which actually blocks the ability of the patient and family to decide:.

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  FlyingHighNow

  Oxygen deprivation to the fetus is just as damaging to it as it is to the mother.

  Well, if that's true, then it may well be that the baby's life would not be worth living. I did allow for that as an exception to the rule in an earlier post.

  The baby's heart is beating though, so we already know that the baby is not as affected as the mother was.
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  Dead pregnant woman forced to stay on life support, due to TX State law

  by adamah in

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  there's an interesting medicolegal issue arising out of tx, a pregnant women who suffered a pulmonary embolism in november and died (when she was 14 weeks pregnant).. however, the body has been kept on life-support all this time (against her and her husband's wishes), due to an ambiguous tx state law (tex hs.

  code ann.

  166.049) which actually blocks the ability of the patient and family to decide:.

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  FlyingHighNow

  This really isn't about ancient Israel though. This is about a situation in Texas today. I tried to look into whether the rights of the fetus being protected under advanced medical directive, over the deceased mother's rights or her family's rights. I wasn't able to find any articles about states other than Texas. Someone else may have better success at finding out whether other states similarly protect the unborn fetus. This isn't always about religion. People don't have to be diests or theists to understand the sanctity of life.
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  The Cult of N. Korea--Frontline's “Secret State of North Korea” compare to WTBTS--discussion

  by FlyingHighNow in

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  did any of you see this program on pbs?

  did you see how dangerously similar n. korea is to the wtbts?

  did you notice one huge difference, that north koreans are not brainwashed like most still active jws are?

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  Thank you, Twitch, for the link. What struck me about N. Koreans is that while some are brainwashed, the N. Korean techniques aren't affective with all citizens. This means the WTBTS is possibly more effective than even the N. Korean govt in brainwashing techniques.

  Breakfast and Gypsy, I'll be interested in your comments.

  Something striking about N. Koreans is the poverty that many suffer, especially children. This makes me think of the poverty Jehovah's Witnesses experience due to the lack of education and pressure not to have jobs that interfere with meetings, study, etc.

  This is cut and paste from Twitch's link:

  Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism

  Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism
  Book cover, 1989 edition
  Author	Robert Jay Lifton, M.D.
  Translator	Richard Jaffe (Chinese)
  Cover artist	Shelley Gruendler
  Country	United States
  Language	English
  Subject	Psychology Brainwashing Mind control
  Genre	Non-fiction
  Publisher	Norton, New York (1961, first edition) University of North Carolina Press (reprint)
  Publication date	1961, 1989 (UNC Press reprint)
  Media type	Paperback
  Pages	524 (1989 reprint)
  ISBN	0-8078-4253-2
  OCLC Number	19388265
  Dewey Decimal	153.8/53/0951 19
  LC Classification	BF633 .L5 1989

  Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of "Brainwashing" in China is a non-fiction book by psychiatrist Robert Jay Lifton on the psychology of brainwashing and mind control.

  Lifton's research for the book began in 1953 with a series of interviews with American servicemen who had been held captive during the Korean War. In addition to interviews with 25 Americans, Lifton also interviewed 15 Chinese who had fled their homeland after having been subjected to indoctrination in Chinese universities. From these interviews, which in some cases occurred regularly for over a year, Lifton identified the tactics used by Chinese communists to cause drastic shifts in one's opinions and personality and "brainwash" American soldiers into making demonstrably false assertions.

  The book was first published in 1961 by Norton in New York. [ 1 ] The 1989 reprint edition was published by University of North Carolina Press. [ 2 ] Lifton is a Distinguished Professor of Psychiatry at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, City University of New York.
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  The Cult of N. Korea--Frontline's “Secret State of North Korea” compare to WTBTS--discussion

  by FlyingHighNow in

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  did any of you see this program on pbs?

  did you see how dangerously similar n. korea is to the wtbts?

  did you notice one huge difference, that north koreans are not brainwashed like most still active jws are?

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  FlyingHighNow

  Thank you, Apognophos. I'm relieved to know my OP isn't completely incoherent.

  Even so, FHN gave examples of how some Koreans are much less compliant than JWs, showing that the kind of control that the Society has could well be worse in some ways.

  I've long theorized that fear has always been the best tool to control individuals, groups or masses. I wonder if men figured out a long time ago, that to play on the basic fears of human beings is very effective in keeping them under control. I'll use women for example. Women have more of a natural need to protect their bodies when it comes to sexual intercourse. We have more to lose in that we can become pregnant. So I look at women as the gatekeepers to sex, more of the time than not. It gives us kind of natural advantage and even power in sexual situations. Think back a long time ago. A man could beat up a woman or tie her up and force her to comply to sexual relations. That's a lot of trouble and bruises and restraints are not a turn on for every man. Men could make laws requiring wives to submit everytime their husbands desired sex. Then what? Haul them down to the jail for non compliance? Put them in public stocks? It's not exactly going to get the husbands sex with their wives. What to do? Convince women that their god(s)/goddesses will torture or condemn them eternally if they do not submit to sex with their husbands. The only effort required is to play on the fears of the women. No beatings, restraints or jails are necessary, unless of course the women don't care about eternity.
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  Dead pregnant woman forced to stay on life support, due to TX State law

  by adamah in

  1. social
  2. current

  there's an interesting medicolegal issue arising out of tx, a pregnant women who suffered a pulmonary embolism in november and died (when she was 14 weeks pregnant).. however, the body has been kept on life-support all this time (against her and her husband's wishes), due to an ambiguous tx state law (tex hs.

  code ann.

  166.049) which actually blocks the ability of the patient and family to decide:.

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  FlyingHighNow

  I agree, Samswife, that is is very sad for the family.

  From the article you presented:

  There were also two cases involving fetuses that were 15 weeks old when their mothers died. One of the fetuses died in utero 49 days after its mother suffered catastrophic bleeding in the brain in Italy in 1992. The other remained in utero for 107 days – more than 15 weeks – after its mother suffered a traumatic brain injury in the U.S. in 1989. That baby boy was delivered by C-section at 32 weeks; he weighed 3.4 pounds, had Apgar scores of 6 and 9 (scores lower than 7 indicate a newborn needs medical attention, according to the National Institutes of Health), and was developing normally 11 months after his birth.

  If the baby develops normally and arrives in a healthy state, mentally and phsyically, it's birth will be bittersweet. It's hard to imagine the love that you will feel for a child who hasn't been born. Recently, we welcomed a new nephew who is a forth child. I just couldn't imagine loving this child as much as his older siblings, all of which have wonderful personalities. He is 3 and 1/2 months old today and I am totally smitten. I imagine that this family will fall in love and feel very protective, moments after the child is born.

  I wonder what more liberal states do in the case of a pregnant woman who is on life support, but is braindead, where advanced directive is involved. I'm doubting that Texas is the only state with a law which protects the life of the unborn.
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  Dead pregnant woman forced to stay on life support, due to TX State law

  by adamah in

  1. social
  2. current

  there's an interesting medicolegal issue arising out of tx, a pregnant women who suffered a pulmonary embolism in november and died (when she was 14 weeks pregnant).. however, the body has been kept on life-support all this time (against her and her husband's wishes), due to an ambiguous tx state law (tex hs.

  code ann.

  166.049) which actually blocks the ability of the patient and family to decide:.

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  FlyingHighNow

  It is a extremely tough call, but what is your final answer, if anyone dares to claim to possess the wisdom to know of all of these unknowns you highlighted?

  If the baby could be shown to be healthy, normal and capable of living a normal life after it's birth, I don't think the emotional reaction and resulting demand of the baby's father or family should be more important than the life of the developing, healthy baby. The mother isn't suffering. If the baby could be proven to be only kept "alive" via the life support used to keep the body of the mother living, in other words, if the baby is brain dead, then certainly there is no reason to continue the mother on life support. I don't know how I feel about a child who is affected by some degree of oxygen deprivation. I'm not in the position of having to make such a decision. I'd have to be face to face with it to make my own decision. I am not going to make the decision for the fetus involved. In the abortion debate, I am definitely pro-choice. The problem with this case is that the mother is not able to make this choice. She didn't leave any papers or videos stating her feelings on this specific kind of situation. Being a mother, I would guess that if this mother knew she was carrying a healthy child, she'd want the child to develop fully and to be born. She wanted the baby she was carrying.
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  Dead pregnant woman forced to stay on life support, due to TX State law

  by adamah in

  1. social
  2. current

  there's an interesting medicolegal issue arising out of tx, a pregnant women who suffered a pulmonary embolism in november and died (when she was 14 weeks pregnant).. however, the body has been kept on life-support all this time (against her and her husband's wishes), due to an ambiguous tx state law (tex hs.

  code ann.

  166.049) which actually blocks the ability of the patient and family to decide:.

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  FlyingHighNow

  That's exactly WHY no one BUT the family and husband should be allowed to decide here, since they bear the consequences of the decision. But to have the State step in and FORCE the decision upon them against their will is even more intolerable, since legislators in the State of Texas are only mucking up the situation and prolonging the pain for the survivors by forcing their religious-driven morality on others.

  Is it completely religious driven? I'm asking sincerely because I haven't read the complete law. Or is this law made to preserve human life? It's not the same argument for or against abortion, though it would be a similar issue. Does the law give a time window for how pregnant the mother has to be before the law over rides the signed medical directive of the mother or the immediate family?