this was one of the things that first got me thinking.
i noticed how in books like "draw close to jehovah" they paint god as a loving, warm, just god who does not desire any to die.
i could not love him at all, let alone with my whole heart.
I'm not Christian. I find it interesting that the scriptures I sited show the opposite of the God in the OP.
I don't know how many Christians believe that God is exclusive and murderous. I do know that significant amounts do not believe that.
Those entities, real or imagined do not deserve my love or worship.
Exactly. That's how you can tell they are made up by abusive people, to control other people.
this was one of the things that first got me thinking.
i noticed how in books like "draw close to jehovah" they paint god as a loving, warm, just god who does not desire any to die.
i could not love him at all, let alone with my whole heart.
"If I can't have you, no one will"
Spoken by a human, an indicator of psychopathy.
Spoken by God, an expression of "loyal love".
BUTB, you could benefit from reading this book, written by an ex JW:
Jehovah Unmasked
http://www.amazon.com/Jehovah-Unmasked-Nathaniel-J-Merritt/dp/1411651472/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
this was one of the things that first got me thinking.
i noticed how in books like "draw close to jehovah" they paint god as a loving, warm, just god who does not desire any to die.
i could not love him at all, let alone with my whole heart.
Only wack religions or people seriously believe God or Jesus would do this kind of thing. I'm not a person who believes the Bible was penned by God.
This is from my JWN profile:
Please measure your god against this scripture:
''He that does not love has not come to know God because God is love.'' 1 John 4:8 ******
While doing that keep in mind 1 Corinthians 13: 4-8 .*****
If God is love then: 4 Love is patient,v love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.w 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking,x it is not easily angered,y it keeps no record of wrongs.z 6 Love does not delight in evila but rejoices with the truth.b 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.c
8 Love never fails.
while i'm glad i found this site, it has also crumbled to bits everything i've believed in my whole life.
i feel like the certainty, magic and wonder has gone out of my life.
this has left a huge hole in my soul.
FlyingHighNow: Regarding the phrase "If grace is true why God will destroy no-one". During a sermon a couple of weeks ago our vicar said "Jesus came to save the world, so today he would be planning to save around 8 billion people." ...the love and grace of God expressed through this one sentence shot through me like a lightning bolt.
I understand. I was a natural universalist as a young child, even. I recall sitting in the KH thinking, "I don't understand, not really, this need to destroy so many people. "
thread is here:.
http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/16494-robin-williams-found-dead/.
a few quotes:.
Zed, good to see you posting.
the following e-mail is circulating among jws about the international convention at fedex stadium in landover, md.
note the all-too-familiar jw claims: everything they do (including the simple act of parking cars) is proof of jehovah'stm blessing, and everything wt did at the convention was the fastest, greatest, best ever.
oh, and the never-fails-to-get-mentioned alleged 'persecution'/resistance from some unnamed authority who tried to get in watchtower's way and hamper the effort...but jws prevailed anyway (as always):.
How are they feeding all these people?
while i'm glad i found this site, it has also crumbled to bits everything i've believed in my whole life.
i feel like the certainty, magic and wonder has gone out of my life.
this has left a huge hole in my soul.
Cofty, you decide that only you can define facts and evidence. Purr can make up Purr's mind about it. You can now go on to hijack the thread by yourself.
while i'm glad i found this site, it has also crumbled to bits everything i've believed in my whole life.
i feel like the certainty, magic and wonder has gone out of my life.
this has left a huge hole in my soul.
Facts. We both agree on the need for facts, which can establish so much. Let's not hijack the thread, Cofty.
while i'm glad i found this site, it has also crumbled to bits everything i've believed in my whole life.
i feel like the certainty, magic and wonder has gone out of my life.
this has left a huge hole in my soul.
Our bodies are awesome but there is absolutely no evidence of intelligent design, and tons of evidence of bad design.
And this is a great example of differing opinions on what constitutes evidence.
while i'm glad i found this site, it has also crumbled to bits everything i've believed in my whole life.
i feel like the certainty, magic and wonder has gone out of my life.
this has left a huge hole in my soul.
By the way, I really do appreciate your comments. I find them very insightful and poignant. And the name....GO ROCKY!
Thank you.
An evidence-based worldview is the only sensible option. It also opens up a whole universe full of mystery, wonder and awe.
Just leaving the cult will open up the whole universe full of mystery, wonder and awe. For a lot of us, viewing the vast complexity of our material universe, human beings, animals, plant life is evidence that there is much more to the story of existence than meets the eyes.
Last April, one of my grandson's 19 year old friends took his own life. Part of his suicide had to do with taking too much insulin. I was doing research about how insulin overdoses bring death. I came across a writing by By Dr. Howard Glicksman called Death by Insulin: How Sweet it Isn't!! http://www.arn.org/docs/glicksman/eyw_060601.htm
Our body's system to metabolize sugar and keep us living is vastly more complex than most people know. I recommend reading the series of articles that Dr. Glicksman has written called: Exercise Your Wonder. They are easy to read for the non medical doctor and will leave you in awe when you begin to understand how NOT simple, just the human body is. When you look at how complex and vital sugar metabolism is--your brain dies without sugar very quickly-- it will awe you. He has written numerous articles about our body systems and functions. You'll understand that there is plenty of evidence of design to our human body. What you do with the evidence will be very personal to you.
