Posts by paradisebeauty

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John-1-1-Colossians-1-16-all-other-things - Part 2

by Wonderment in

continued from part 1 (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5097191899136000/john-1-1-colossians-1-16-all-other-things):.

the nw translation and some of its unique renderings, like john 1.1- "a god," and colossians 1.16 - "all other things," have been consistently at the top of the most debated topics here in this forum and elsewhere from the beginning.

the anger felt by detractors of the nwt rendering of john 1.1 (a god) has diminished considerably if compared to the furious debates surrounding the verse that raged on during the 1950 thru 1970s.

paradisebeauty

There is no logical explanation of the trinity!.

Check it's origin, and you will see where it's coming from.

God is One!!!

Even Jesus said: the most important commandment: Listen, oh, Israel, God, your God, is One!!!

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John-1-1-Colossians-1-16-all-other-things - Part 2

by Wonderment in

continued from part 1 (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5097191899136000/john-1-1-colossians-1-16-all-other-things):.

the nw translation and some of its unique renderings, like john 1.1- "a god," and colossians 1.16 - "all other things," have been consistently at the top of the most debated topics here in this forum and elsewhere from the beginning.

the anger felt by detractors of the nwt rendering of john 1.1 (a god) has diminished considerably if compared to the furious debates surrounding the verse that raged on during the 1950 thru 1970s.

paradisebeauty

check these resources:

a list of all verses used by trinitarians, and explained from a monotheistic point of view:

http://www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses

And this antitrinitarian book about Jesus, at the end has a list of verses and the page where they are explained

http://www.focusonthekingdom.org/articles/Who%20Is%20Jesus.pdf

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INSPIRED ERROR: new phrase among JW CO

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

there is no end to their madness.

the co gave a talk on inspired error.

i have never heard of it.

paradisebeauty

1925, 1975, 1914 - inspired errors

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Some amazing insights on why the the name Jehovah is no more used in the new testament scriptures

by paradisebeauty in

i read this blog post by a person i have no idea if she is still a jw or not, but it made me think and gain some new perspective on using the divine name.

please read it if you can, it will change your view!

and it totally devalidates the jw dogma that they are the only ones using god's name, no, they are actually orphans.

paradisebeauty

For me the "aha" of the article was that in the new testament, God's name does not appear anymore, because in it, God reveals Himself in a new role - the role of a Father.

The Missing Piece
While we have speculatively inserted Jehovah’s name 238 times in the NWT 2013 Edition, there are two other more significant numbers: 0 and 260. The first is the number of times Jehovah is referred to as the personal father of any human in the Hebrew Scriptures.[viii]
... In contrast, the second number, 260, represents the number of times Jesus and the Christian writers used the term ‘Father’ to depict the relationship Christ and his disciples enjoy with God.

An Orphan No More!
What a great truth Jesus was revealing! No longer is Jehovah simply God; to be feared and obeyed and yes, loved—but loved as a God not a father. Christ, the last Adam, opened the way for the restoration of all things. (1 Cor. 15:45) Now we can love Jehovah as a child loves a father. We can feel that special, unique relationship only a son or daughter can feel for a loving father.
For thousands of years, men and women had wandered like orphans through life. Then along came Jesus to show us firsthand that we were no longer alone. We could rejoin the family, be adopted; orphans no more. This is what is revealed by the 260 references to God as our Father, a reality missing from the Hebrew Scriptures. Yes, we know God’s name is Jehovah, but for us he is papa! This wonderful privilege is open to all humankind, but only if we accept the spirit, die to our former way of life and are reborn in the Christ. (John 3:3)

And this is what the watchtower is taking away from it's followers: the right to be God's child, to see Him and have a relationship with Him like with a Father, the right to be Jesus's brother.

This article made me realize that God wants us to be more than His Witnesses, He wants us to be His Children and to be brought back into God's family. - and this is one of the roles of Jesus, to make this reunion possible.

All that separation the wt. created: the anointed, the brothers of Christ and the followers of the brothers of Christ, where did that all come from?

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Some amazing insights on why the the name Jehovah is no more used in the new testament scriptures

by paradisebeauty in

i read this blog post by a person i have no idea if she is still a jw or not, but it made me think and gain some new perspective on using the divine name.

please read it if you can, it will change your view!

and it totally devalidates the jw dogma that they are the only ones using god's name, no, they are actually orphans.

paradisebeauty

I read this blog post by a person I have no idea if she is still a jw or not, but it made me think and gain some new perspective on using the Divine Name.

Please read it if you can, it will change your view! And it totally devalidates the jw dogma that they are the only ones using God's name, no, they are actually orphans.

http://meletivivlon.com/2013/10/18/orphans/

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Message from an elder

by paradisebeauty in

elder: plese watch the november programm on jw broadcasting.. me: what i hope for is the change of the doctrine that states that jesus is not the mediator between jehovah and all jw's but only between jehovah and the 144000. i believe jesus is my mediator even if i am not one of the 144000. .

elder: may jehovah open your mind and heart.

me: may he open everyone's mind and heart.

paradisebeauty

@ nicolau

I am a Christian, this is what Jesus said and this is what I believe. Being a Christian means you become conscious that you need salvation and you admit that you can get it only through Christ.

If you are not a christian, I suppose you do not believe you need any salvation, so there is no judgement for you in my words.

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Message from an elder

by paradisebeauty in

elder: plese watch the november programm on jw broadcasting.. me: what i hope for is the change of the doctrine that states that jesus is not the mediator between jehovah and all jw's but only between jehovah and the 144000. i believe jesus is my mediator even if i am not one of the 144000. .

elder: may jehovah open your mind and heart.

me: may he open everyone's mind and heart.

paradisebeauty

@ Ding

Out of 4 elders I talked to about this, 2 said they did not know that was the official doctrine, and 2 knew it.

From the 2 who knew the doctrine, one said that in 1 timothy 2:5 it's written: Jesus is mediator between God and us, - by us, meaning the anointed ones, since the letter to Timothy was written by Paul.

These people not only do not know the doctrine of their religion, but they also remember Bible verses not the way they are written, but in such a way that they would fit their doctrine ...

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Message from an elder

by paradisebeauty in

elder: plese watch the november programm on jw broadcasting.. me: what i hope for is the change of the doctrine that states that jesus is not the mediator between jehovah and all jw's but only between jehovah and the 144000. i believe jesus is my mediator even if i am not one of the 144000. .

elder: may jehovah open your mind and heart.

me: may he open everyone's mind and heart.

paradisebeauty

@ Rattigan, again

The fact that Jesus is the mediator between God and man is the basis and fundamental idea of Christianity. Without Jesus as a mediator there is no christian faith and NO SALVATION for those who do not have Jesus as a mediator.

Why do the watchtower change this? Who do they think is the mediator for all the other jw's, is it the gov body or the 144000? Or do they think the other jw's don't need a mediator? This even sounds insane, but this is their true doctrine.

It's strange how maybe only about 3% of the jw's know this doctrine. It is a very important doctrine but also a somehow hidden doctrine. Whenever the gov body mentions it in a publication they hide it in complicated phrases, as they would be afraid if they would say it straight forward people would get scared or be shocked, and see that something is wrong with it.

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Message from an elder

by paradisebeauty in

elder: plese watch the november programm on jw broadcasting.. me: what i hope for is the change of the doctrine that states that jesus is not the mediator between jehovah and all jw's but only between jehovah and the 144000. i believe jesus is my mediator even if i am not one of the 144000. .

elder: may jehovah open your mind and heart.

me: may he open everyone's mind and heart.

paradisebeauty

@ Rattigan

And does your believe actually do anything or mean anything?

My believe is the basis of my faith, and I will not accept any religion or organization who says the opposite. The fact that Jesus is my mediator influences the way I live my life now and I am sure it will make influence my eternal future, too.

That is why I really hate the objection above

Why exactly? you are not actually mentioning any reasons why you hate my objection.

The GB can't change God's will.

They can not change God's will but they change the truth of the Bible, like most other religions. And they do this while saying they are the only religion accepted by God. - I find this very disturbing, at least other christian religions do not place a definite judgement on other christian denominations.

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Message from an elder

by paradisebeauty in

elder: plese watch the november programm on jw broadcasting.. me: what i hope for is the change of the doctrine that states that jesus is not the mediator between jehovah and all jw's but only between jehovah and the 144000. i believe jesus is my mediator even if i am not one of the 144000. .

elder: may jehovah open your mind and heart.

me: may he open everyone's mind and heart.

paradisebeauty

Oubliette,

Did he say WHY you should watch that particular program?

I think he was referring to the part of November broadcasting where they speak about inactives ant they advice that they should return to the congregation, did not watch the entire speech about inactives, could not stand it, but I saw they have the image from the new brochure return to Jehovah in the background.