Posts by paradisebeauty

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What is an apostate, according to Geoffrey Jackson (GB member)

by opusdei1972 in

this is what i found in the transcript related to the date august 14 2015 (royal comision of australia):.

18 q. and if they don't actively disassociate, then they 19 will be disfellowshipped as apostate?

20 a. no, an apostate is someone who actively goes against 21 what the bible teaches.. this is a half true.

paradisebeauty

He said so many times it is not his field that it makes me wonder ... it there one of the gb members who is calling the shots on doctrinal issues and / or bossing the others?

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Jackson on Deuteronomy 22 and "two witnesses"

by Marvin Shilmer in

jw
friends

in his testimony before the royal commission geoffrey jackson said he did not have the answer to the question posed to him regarding deuteronomy 22:25-27 and was unable to ask jesus at this time.

two things stand out to me about this piece of jackson's testimony.

1. he said he could not ask jesus.

Do you believe Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing Body is the "faithful slave"?

by Marvin Shilmer in

this question is known to be posed by jws to other jws as an acid test of loyalty.

i'm not the first to notice what i'm about to point out and comment accordingly, but today i felt compelled to add a short article on my blog highlighting the new language that governing body member geoffrey jackson supplies as a response.

a person who honestly hesitates to respond with a robust "yes!

paradisebeauty

It would be presumptuous to say that.

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I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

by John Aquila in

so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

paradisebeauty

It's not like they invented the Bible. Nor do they own it.

The hope and the answers for humankind are in the Bible. But you get to live free, make your own decisions, not have a bunch of people try to control every aspect of your life.

Christianity is a religion of freedom and they made it a controlling cult.

Yes, it might be difficult alone. People might not understand your hope and your faith. But can you really find understanding in the organization?

I do not think so. Yes, you can socialize with some kind people, but I don't know if they are much better than the average person out there. There are situations when you can not really trust anyone in the org and you can not express yourself.

There are pros and cons for being inside and the same for being outside.

But I prefer freedom over fakeness.

I think there are some who continue to believe or to want to believe that this org is the only one because this thought is good for their ego. They are the ones who understood and are a part of the one and only org.

I don't understand the ones who stay in for the social life... there are so many decent, moral and human people out there. It all comes down to paying attention to people, being friendly, trying to get to know them and establish a relationship with the ones you like.

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What's the Worst Gossip You Heard About Why You were DF'ed, Faded or Left and Never Came Back? They say "I am gay!"

by PhilsWager2 in

your going to enjoy the latest rumor i heard why i have not been to meeting for around nine months, i am a homosexual!

i was caught having a drink at one of the gay bars for business, yes people still talk business in bars.

revelation 17:4).and murderers, and fornicators (cf.

paradisebeauty

I told some jw's about things in the Bible we do not believe as they are written ... they say I have apostate ideas.

And that I came to those apostate ideas because I am not married and no one to help me spiritually, poor me! ha ha

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Women are Women and Men are men in the Real World , apparently not in J.W.`s world.

by smiddy in

according to j.w.`s the 144000 are a literal number of people , both men and women taken from the earth to rule with christ jesus in the heavens .this would also include judging in this role.

(see another thread about women as judges).

women in the religion of j.w.`s have no place in leadership roles ,cannot be elders , ministerial servants , or serve in any position of authority , and have no teaching voice in any congregation .. yet faithful anointed women can , upon their death rule with christ jesus in heaven for 1000 years according to j.w.

paradisebeauty

The 144.000 are Jewish people, as the bible says. To admit this would put the GB is trouble.

The only covenant for Christians is the new covenant.

There is no covenant for a kingdom with Christians. There is an assignment that Jesus gives to the 12 apostles, who are Jews. In Luke 22:29 the word "covenant" does not appear there.

The wt admits there is no word covenant there.If you have NWT with references, look at the apendix, pages 1584-1585 7D “Covenant” , it is an apendix for the word covenant and there are listed all the verses where "covenant" appears, Luke 22:29 is not among them.

So the NWT with References appendix is proof they mistranslated Luke 22:29 and inserted a covenant for the kingdom with the disciples.

It is not like the kingdom is taken from the Jews and given to Christians, but rather the new covenant allows people from other nations who become Christians to co-inherit the kingdom with Jews. It is an extension, not a replacement.

The number in revelations refers to Jewish people who will have a special place in God's kingdom, not to all anointed.

More about the invented covenant of the wt, a covenant that no one else finds in the bible, but the greedy GB of WT:

http://perimeno.ca/Letters_0611_covenant-for-a-kingdom.htm

Look for yourself how other Bibles translate that verse http://biblehub.com/luke/22-29.htm

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Women are Women and Men are men in the Real World , apparently not in J.W.`s world.

by smiddy in

according to j.w.`s the 144000 are a literal number of people , both men and women taken from the earth to rule with christ jesus in the heavens .this would also include judging in this role.

(see another thread about women as judges).

women in the religion of j.w.`s have no place in leadership roles ,cannot be elders , ministerial servants , or serve in any position of authority , and have no teaching voice in any congregation .. yet faithful anointed women can , upon their death rule with christ jesus in heaven for 1000 years according to j.w.

paradisebeauty

The wt society does not understand the concept of the new creation, though the Bible is speaking so much about it.

http://www.openbible.info/topics/new_creation_in_christ

The purpose of God is the new creation, and that is what He means by "Look, I make all things new!"

But this light has avoided the GB ... and this is why they need to change their "understanding" every 2 years and go round and round in circles with their false teachings.

Those 7 men in the GB are bluffing.

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Leaving the org and marriage possibly ending

by atacrossroads in

jw
friends

i was raised a witness, baptized at 16, vacation pioneered, got married, etc.

i was very much your typical witness and believed it was the truth until last summer.

a very close relative of mine left the witnesses.

paradisebeauty

It is good that they live you alone now.

When you spend holidays, if they say something give them that verse that says you should not judge others for considering a day above others, say christmas is for you a period when people are kind to one another, a celebration of humanity in people, and new year is a new beginning. it is not religious nowadays.

Memorize some verses like the one who says no one should be a master over another person's faith.

Be very concise when you speak with elders or your husband about this matters, give them a verse and shut them up about judging you.

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Could this be the future for the Watchtower?

by C0ntr013r in

been researching the mormons a little since they are quite similar to the jws.

they have a similar webpage and many videos to "help" the mormons in their faith.

i found this video done by abc4 news:.

paradisebeauty

I am sorry for the kids in jw's families who are pressured into being baptised from a young age, just so that the GB's statistics would look good.

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Geoffrey Jackson: "That would be presumptuous of us"...

by Calebs Airplane in

within the first few minutes, mr. stewart asked geoffrey jackson if the members of the governing body consider themselves to be god's spokesperson on earth.. his response: "that would be presumptuous of us" (implying that they don't consider themselves to be god's sole channel of communication).. to me, that was the worst lie of about 26 lies he's told during this hearing.

however, mr. stewart missed an opportunity to call out mr. jackson on this bold-faced lie.

he should have asked him to explain why the watchtower magazine teaches otherwise.

paradisebeauty

@ Calebs Airplane

You can send the quotes to the commission. They are very nice and answer back to emails, thanking you. .

Here is their email:

[email protected]