Posts by OrphanCrow

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Geoffrey Jackson Royal Commission update

by umbertoecho in

hello people.

the rc will still go ahead with it's live stream on friday 14th august.

however, it seem that it will be a video link.

OrphanCrow

steve2: There is absolutely no evidence that when a subpoened party appears via videolink, an inquiry is in some way prevented from conducting a thorough inquiry.

I know that. However, there is certain a justice in making him 'face' the public - not being allowed to hide behind a video link, when it was his policies that forced victims to face their abuser. So, too, should he have to show his face.

I am not refering to the actual legal process or saying that it is deficient in any way - I am saying that we, as victims, want to see him give his evidence. Some of the victims of the WTS' judicial process would like that consideration.

What bothers me about Jackson giving testimony via video link, without his face shown, is that it reminds me too much of how child victims are handled in the court system. Children who are victims of sexual abuse often give their testimony in that manner - so that they don't have to face the accused.

Jackson is not the victim here - there is no reason that his face cannot be shown. I don't object to the video link - I just want to see his face when he gives testimony. I want him to feel naked, knowing that the eyes of the world are on him. Not just the ears of the world - but also the eyes.

Eyes have power. The power of the gaze. I want the WTS' power that they have held over everybody for so long - through their system of surveliance and record keeping - turned back on them.

I want it to be our turn to look at them.

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Geoffrey Jackson Royal Commission update

by umbertoecho in

hello people.

the rc will still go ahead with it's live stream on friday 14th august.

however, it seem that it will be a video link.

OrphanCrow

I am all for requesting that the live feed show the video link. I want to see Jackson's face.

After all, it is Biblical, isn't it? For the accused to face their accuser(s)?

I demand it! ;p

Just think of the countless numbers of victims who were forced to face their abuser - so, too, should we be able to do so. I want to see the abuser face to face. Or, at least, his face...hell, I would let him look at me, too, while he testified. That would be satisfying.

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Western Decline is a Reality - 2015 Memorial Attendance

by berrygerry in

as has been observed in western congos, the decline is real.. usa is 12.475 % less -2015 vs 2014.

OrphanCrow

paradisebeauty: I am sure most find it very strange that almost no one partakes.

Maybe in the future the GB will allow "fractions" of wine to be sipped. That might bring up the attendance at the Memorial.

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Questions for current and former elders re giving evidence

by Mickey mouse in

supposing you were called to give evidence by an inquiry.

how would you answer?

are you concerned that you may end up being called to give evidence for past involvement in judicial committees to future inquiries?

OrphanCrow

Marvin: I would welcome a law that requires all present and former Watchtower appointed elders to immediately report instances of child molestation they are aware of to secular authorities. They'd get a god-damned earful from me, and they'd be shocked.

Do you need a law to require the reporting of a known crime?

If you are aware of a criminal act that was committed in the past, are you not obligated (morally, at least) to report it even if there isn't a "law" to tell you to do so?

I dunno...maybe it is just me...but, I have reported suspected child abusers to the authorities in the past and I won't hesitate to do so again...and there wasn't a law that told me I had to. I did it because it was the right thing to do. I did it because it may have stopped another child from suffering abuse. I did it so that the police could at least put the suspected child abuser on their radar screen.

Just because there isn't a law that specifically requires ex-elders and present elders to go to the authorities with historic child sex abuse, doesn't mean a person can't go and make a statement to the police anyways. For all you know, that statement may be what the police need in order to proceed with an ongoing investigation.

And besides, if it was a historic case, it means that the perpetuator is still at large, and still able to continue victimizing children.

Why wait for a law to be put in place that demands you report a known crime? If a former elder is aware of a child abuse case that wasn't reported to the police, what is holding them back from reporting it now?

Maybe if all the former elders who are aware of a child aubser in the JWs went and made statements to their local police, a child somewhere could be saved from experiencing the same kind of abuse we have heard from the victims who told their stories to the Royal Commission.

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Can JWs be police in Australia?

by Larrikin in

hi everyone, i'm new here, i've been following the rc reports, and i was hoping you could help, my question is are jw allowed to be police, i heard the jws saying in one report with enthusiasm that they had jw in the policeforce.

and would there be any conflict from the force with any of their teaching, that would be contrary to duties..

OrphanCrow

It was Spinks who claimed that JWs were on the police force. He said that JWs were in "every level of the police force" in Australia.

I don't believe Spinks - he is a liar.

I cannot imagine that "every level" of the police force has JWs in it. Impossible. Unless, of course, by "every level" he meant that the JWs had the cleaning contract for every floor in the police building.

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Jw gift.org

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

how did i miss this ?

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www.jwgift.org.

OrphanCrow

The jwgift website in the UK has been around for quite some time now.

A thread from 11 years ago:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/80561/jwgift-org-new-watchtower-website-online-donations?page=1

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Jw gift.org

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

how did i miss this ?

.

www.jwgift.org.

OrphanCrow

millie: Is there an American version or any other country?

India:

http://www.jwindiagift.org/

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GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!

by defender of truth in

the royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .

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www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.

OrphanCrow

TheMark: I think the commission will go easy on him to save face, Jackson's especially.

Oh. Are you, by chance, American?

The Royal Commission in Australia has no need to "save face". Their face is doing just fine.

Losing face would be the scenario you describe.

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GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!

by defender of truth in

the royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .

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www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.

OrphanCrow

TheMark: I'll be back Friday to apologize if I was wrong.

But, what about your accusation of bribes being accepted by the Royal Commission? What about an apology for that? That is a very strong accusation that has nothing to do with pessimism - it is a slanderous statement.

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A JW talk about the Governing Body - what JWs are taught about the GB

by OrphanCrow in

this is a youtube uploaded in 2009 that has a talk about the governing body given to jws.. "governing body".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwjm5d9m1lm&index=5&list=pl2vkk1cclbi8xcdxgygijzu9_w6nzx8mt.

the speaker tells the jws that the gb takes such good responsible care of all of them.. the speaker also speaks of a personal experience with bro.

OrphanCrow

Yes, the speaker's style is pretty slick. Hypnotic. An appeal to the emotions, for sure.

He keeps emphasizing how the GB "are responsible for you". And, he uses the terms Governing Body and Faithful and Discete Slave interchangably.

Any JW listening to this talk would come away with the idea that the GB are the ones in charge - regardless of whether that is true in practice - the message is what counts. It is the belief that the GB calls the shots that is important to the JWs themselves.

And, the JWs are being told that the GB will look after them - that the GB will take responsibilty for each and every one of the JWs.

Well, we shall see if that holds true or not after Jackson appears this week for the Royal Commission.