Posts by OrphanCrow

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Jehovah's Witness Claims Surgeon Refused to Operate

by OrphanCrow in

jehovah's witnesses are unreasonable in the way they expect the larger community to respond to their no blood policy.

the medical community is too often held hostage by their insistence on adhering to tan erroneous interpretation of an old book.. jehovah's witness claims surgeon refused to operate.

(*full article at link).

OrphanCrow

OneeyedJoe: Unless there was something unusual in play here...

What is "unusual in play here" is bloodless surgery.

Bloodless surgery is not as simple as just having the same procedure as everyone else but just flying it solo without a bag of blood. This patient, who had already undergone a bloodless procedure, was unsuitable for a bloodless procedure becuase he had an infection. Infections are a complicating factor that make a bloodless procedure not viable.

...putting the patient under anesthesia presents a greater risk of death than does the refusal of blood.

Exactly. Bloodless surgery is "putting a patient under anesthesia" in ways that are not performed in "regular" surgical procedures. The use of a cell saver and hemodilution procedures are the domain of the anethesiologist, not the surgeon.

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Jehovah's Witness Claims Surgeon Refused to Operate

by OrphanCrow in

jehovah's witnesses are unreasonable in the way they expect the larger community to respond to their no blood policy.

the medical community is too often held hostage by their insistence on adhering to tan erroneous interpretation of an old book.. jehovah's witness claims surgeon refused to operate.

(*full article at link).

OrphanCrow

Scully: Why didn't the JW seek out assistance from the Hospital Liaison Committee™ to find a surgeon who was willing to perform bloodless surgery?

Scully, that is part of the problem. Bloodless surgery is NOT suitable for all patients or in all situations.

According to the article that is linked, the patient already had bloodless surgery. That is not the issue. The issue is that in spite of the unrealistic promises of bloodless surgery, bloodless procedures still have limitations and the patient was limited by an infection that made bloodless surgery not a viable option.

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Jehovah's Witness Claims Surgeon Refused to Operate

by OrphanCrow in

jehovah's witnesses are unreasonable in the way they expect the larger community to respond to their no blood policy.

the medical community is too often held hostage by their insistence on adhering to tan erroneous interpretation of an old book.. jehovah's witness claims surgeon refused to operate.

(*full article at link).

OrphanCrow

Sabin: Oh yes Mr William Clinton you want your conscience on the matter of blood to be excepted, your religious freedom. But what of the Doctors conscience, of not wanting as he may of believed to risk a patients life?

It is the same as their approach to blood fractions. They want to dip into the donor pool but at the same time, they won't give back. They want their cake and eat it too.

On the one hand, the medical community has been forced to treat the JWs as though they have some kind of rare disorder and yet, on the other hand, they want to have the "rights" of people who don't suffer from the JW delusion.

If that JW had seen a doctor who told him, "Hey, man, I can't operate on you because your heart is too weak to survive the surgery. It is instant suicide to put you on the table and I cannot do that", would the JW still cry discrimination?

This JW had unreasonable expectations. Those unreasonable expectations are fueled by the WTS' no blood propaganda that distorts the reality of what bloodless surgery actually is. The WTS no blood "educational material" creates a false expectation in those who follow the blood cult.

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Court seizes over one million Jehovah's Witnesses brochures brought into Russia

by StarTrekAngel in

http://red.theworldnewsmedia.org/index.php/en/forum-home-page/jehovah-s-witnesses/93-court-seizes-over-one-million-jehovah-s-witnesses-brochures-brought-into-russia

OrphanCrow

Mephis: the Romanovs would have survived at least a few years longer than they did because Russia wouldn't have entered WW1.

Russia's entrance into WW1 had little to do with the Russian Revolution. How Nicholas responded to domestic politics had everything to do with the Revolution. And that was influenced by Rasputin, right up until he was assasinated in 1916 by members of the Royal family.

Of course the historical accounts of pre-revolution Russia are controversial and much of what happened during those times has either been hidden or altered by the resulting takeover of Russia by the Bolsheviks. However, many historians attribute the fall of the Russian Empire to the interference of Rasputin in the internal workings of Russian domestic politics.

What I have said about the role of religious sects in Russian history is not legend according to several historians.

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Jehovah's Witness Claims Surgeon Refused to Operate

by OrphanCrow in

jehovah's witnesses are unreasonable in the way they expect the larger community to respond to their no blood policy.

the medical community is too often held hostage by their insistence on adhering to tan erroneous interpretation of an old book.. jehovah's witness claims surgeon refused to operate.

(*full article at link).

OrphanCrow

Jehovah's Witnesses are unreasonable in the way they expect the larger community to respond to their no blood policy. The medical community is too often held hostage by their insistence on adhering to tan erroneous interpretation of an old book.

Jehovah's Witness Claims Surgeon Refused to Operate

(*full article at link)

How would you handle a patient who wanted and needed knee surgery but who refused on religious grounds to accept any blood products?
Frank M. Brown, MD, an orthopedic surgeon at the Asheville (N.C.) VA Medical Center, was sued by a Jehovah's Witness named William Clinton, who claimed Dr. Brown refused to operate on him and thereby violated his First Amendment right to freedom of religion. Dr. Brown says he didn't refuse, but he did try to talk Mr. Clinton into reconsidering his refusal to accept blood products under any circumstances.

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Australia Royal Commission Investigation Jehovah's Witnesses Transcripts days 1-8 Combined Searchable

by Watchtower-Free in

i've made it easier to search ..............6 mb pdf.

https://mega.nz/#!k9ryyztj!awombvgh2wo8o5p_ghr5gavybhoy1i9nydbsobaph-m.

OrphanCrow

Thank you!

Searchable pdf's are the coolest. You are awesome!

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Court seizes over one million Jehovah's Witnesses brochures brought into Russia

by StarTrekAngel in

http://red.theworldnewsmedia.org/index.php/en/forum-home-page/jehovah-s-witnesses/93-court-seizes-over-one-million-jehovah-s-witnesses-brochures-brought-into-russia

OrphanCrow

Mephis: I really don't think Rasputin had much to do with the authoritarian nature of most Russian governments in the C20th. If you want the parallel, it's in the power of the Orthodox Church once more being harnessed by the state there. It's canny little to do with 'cults' and an awful lot to do with authoritarian regimes finding ways to stigmatise 'the other' within society.

Politics in early 20thC in Russia were most certainly influenced by Rasputin.

And yes, the power of the Orthodox Church is being once more harnessed - like it was in the years that Rasputin became a major influence on the Russian Court and was a major player in the politics that led to the Revolution of 1917 and the eventual demise of the last monarchy of Russia.- an event that some historians say was the most important political event of the 20th C.

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Court seizes over one million Jehovah's Witnesses brochures brought into Russia

by StarTrekAngel in

http://red.theworldnewsmedia.org/index.php/en/forum-home-page/jehovah-s-witnesses/93-court-seizes-over-one-million-jehovah-s-witnesses-brochures-brought-into-russia

OrphanCrow

In 1600 Giordano Bruno was brought made grand cosmological claims. Government experts were consulted at his trial and he was eventually burned at the stake. The west has been through this before.

Yeah...over 400 years ago.

I think that knowledge has evolved a fair bit since then.

I will take my chances with the Russian experts.

If by the "west" you mean a "western" expert like Applewhite, then I can see you may have a point.

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Court seizes over one million Jehovah's Witnesses brochures brought into Russia

by StarTrekAngel in

http://red.theworldnewsmedia.org/index.php/en/forum-home-page/jehovah-s-witnesses/93-court-seizes-over-one-million-jehovah-s-witnesses-brochures-brought-into-russia

OrphanCrow

Saint: Scientology is much worse.
If governments start banning organizations that have an unpopular view, you end up with only the majority opinion that will be tolerated.

To borrow a phrase from Justice McClelland, "this is not a competition" to see who is the best of the worst.

It is not as simple as "banning an organization" in Russia. What has occured in Russia is that the Watchtower Society/JWs is not recognized as a religion. They have not been granted religious status. What is banned is their literature and certain activities. Their belief is not banned but they are restricted in what they are allowed to claim for tax purposes and what kind of propaganda they are allowed to bring into the country.

This is not surprising. Other countries are investigating the WTS for charitable status. Russia has said 'no". They are ahead of the game on that one.

Australia is going through a process of examining the harmful policies, that are promoted in the WT literature, and are questioning the WTS on how they may change their policies and literature to reflect a society that respects freedom of speech for its members.

Russia has already said "no" to the literature that promotes and fosters such a horrific problem that is being exposed right now in Australia.

If governments start taking a more responsible role in how religions operate in their countries, I think that problems like hiding child sex criminals won't be tolerated.

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Court seizes over one million Jehovah's Witnesses brochures brought into Russia

by StarTrekAngel in

http://red.theworldnewsmedia.org/index.php/en/forum-home-page/jehovah-s-witnesses/93-court-seizes-over-one-million-jehovah-s-witnesses-brochures-brought-into-russia

OrphanCrow

Saint: You REALLY don't want the state to decide which literature is appropriate for you or not.

The state based their decision on the results of the detailed and comprehensive report submitted by these experts:

[V].[P].[Belyanin], the doctor of philological sciences, the professor of the department of psycholinguistics HAZE, the professor of the center of international formation MGU [im]. [M].[V].[Lomonosova], the corresponding member of the academy of humanitarian studies, the academician of Moscow psychotherapeutic academy, the member of the international association of applied psycholinguistics, the member of the board of juridical psychologists;
[M].[M].[Gromyko], the doctor of historical sciences, professor, the main scientific worker of the institute of ethnology and anthropology RAN [Russian Academy of Science]
[D].[A].[Leontev], the doctor of psychological sciences, the docent of the department of psychology of MGU [im]. [M].[V].[Lomonosova], the substitute the chairman of the council of the Moscow department of Russian psychological society;
[S].[A].[Nebolsin], the candidate of philological sciences, that manages by the sector of artistic interactions of the division of theory and methodology of history of literature and [iskusstvoznaniya], the chairman of scientific council for complex problem “Russia, the West and the east” of the institute of world literature RAN [Russian Academy of Science], the member of the administration of the union of the writers of Russia.

Courts call upon expert testimony to make decisions. I am fine with that. I have read the report. I agree with it.

And....you REALLY shoudn't tell me what I REALLY should or should not think. I do know what freedom of thought is.