Jim Jefferies talks about gun control:
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VA shooting suspect was raised a JW! He mentions it on his Twitter account
by WingCommander inanyone in the usa following this morning's shooting "on-air" live tv will know what i'm talking about.
bryce williams (not real name, but on-air name) shot and killed 2 people on live television this morning in roanoke, va. he was wearing a go-pro camera, and uploaded his first-person video onto his social media accounts.
i've seen his twitter feed (before it was taken down), and not very far down he mentions being raised a jw.
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Price for Child Abuse
by vinman inhow much money do you think the watchtower will have to dish out for this scandal in australia?
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OrphanCrow
I have looked, but am unable to find it again. I read a news relaese that stated how much some victims of other instituions have received - or the money set aside for victims in that one case - and the total figure represented a three way input. From the instituion, and two levels of government in Australia.
It was a substantial amount per victim. If it is any indication, the WTS will be taking a big hit soon. Many millions.
*I wish I could remember the amounts and number of victims...
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why did the sacrafice have to be so BRUTAL
by Tater-T inwhy did the sacrifice have to be so brutal... i mean what value does that add to the equation of justice.couldn't he jesus have came down and just been slaughtered like a regular sacrifice without the brutal torture.why is justice served by brutalityanyone anyone bueller... lolnow you know i don't like to type for hours but this is always bothered me
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It is a mythic narrative. A narrative that is played out in every man's suffering and death on earth, in different ways. A display of the human condition. What it means to be purely human.
That myth, the story of death and suffering, is one that is repeated throughout human history, since time immemorial. It is reality told in the form of a story.
It is the human story. The Grand Narrative.
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Lewd act with a child under 14 years of age
by gda inhttp://jehovahswitnessreport.com/.
on january 6, 2015, the paso robles police department in california charged a jehovahs witness, steven martin lindhorst, 51, with the following offenses:.
lewd act with a child under 14 years of age (felony), possession of child pornography (felony), possession of explicit child pornography (felony), posting intimate photos of another without consent (misdemeanor).
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Update on Steven Lindhorst:
Church shouldn't have divulged child-porn suspect's alleged confession, attorney says
Correction: An earlier version of this story incorrectly referenced Steven Lindhorst's membership as a Jehovah's Witness. Though he was a member when the alleged crimes occurred, he has since been disfellowshipped and, as a result, is no longer a member of the congregation.
Elders in the Jehovah’s Witnesses church violated the confidentiality of a congregation member when they told police about an alleged confession he made regarding child pornography, according to a defense motion.
But, a judge ruled Wednesday, evidence seized after the alleged confession should not be suppressed because there was other information to justify a search of the congregation member’s computer.(full article at link)
Lindhorst is set to appear in court again Aug. 8 for a trial-setting conference.
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VA shooting suspect was raised a JW! He mentions it on his Twitter account
by WingCommander inanyone in the usa following this morning's shooting "on-air" live tv will know what i'm talking about.
bryce williams (not real name, but on-air name) shot and killed 2 people on live television this morning in roanoke, va. he was wearing a go-pro camera, and uploaded his first-person video onto his social media accounts.
i've seen his twitter feed (before it was taken down), and not very far down he mentions being raised a jw.
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WC: Those are all high-control CULTS. So yeah, I'd say if you were raised in any of them chances are you are messed up mentally in some way, shape, or form. So therefore relevant.
I agree. The shooter's JW upbringing is relevant. It is not the only factor that led to his behavior but I do think that it is a contributing factor.
JWs are indoctrinated into a "us verus them" mentality and are told that "worldy" people are not to be trusted. This man was raised, by the accounts that I have read, in a so-called devout JW family. He would have been exposed to that "us vs. them" mentality from the time he was a baby. This type of thinking cannot always be changed, and in this case, it obviously wasn't - the shooter revealed that he still had the residues of JW ideology when he spoke about "Jehovah".
Regardless of his mental state, the JW ideas that had been planted in his brain about the world being an untrustworthy place would have had great bearing on how he coped with his problems, whatever those problems were.
Some people can undo the persecution complex that the JWs are so good at giving to their members - some people can't.
We will never know the nature of his mental illness or whether he had a diagnosable personality disorder such as being a psychopath, but the JW ideas that he was exposed to as a child growing up would have led to the "perfect storm" that unleashed itself in the form of violent behavior.
The JW ideology is very good at disempowering people, and in this case, with deadly results. This fellow chose to empower himself by killing other people.
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VA shooting suspect was raised a JW! He mentions it on his Twitter account
by WingCommander inanyone in the usa following this morning's shooting "on-air" live tv will know what i'm talking about.
bryce williams (not real name, but on-air name) shot and killed 2 people on live television this morning in roanoke, va. he was wearing a go-pro camera, and uploaded his first-person video onto his social media accounts.
i've seen his twitter feed (before it was taken down), and not very far down he mentions being raised a jw.
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flipper: When I talk about " mental illness " this is the type of person I'm referring to- Ted Bundy types who manipulate other humans for their own secret twisted purposes...
Flipper, please allow me to be pedantic about your statement.
Ted Bundy, and serial killers like him who are psychopaths, are not "mentally ill". They have a "mental disorder" that makes them different than what we think of as normal people, but they would not be classified as "ill".
Illness implies a disease or condition that is treatable and/or curable. A psychopathic disorder is not curable - a psychopath has a permanent disorder of the mind. And, they are fully aware of what they are doing - it is their motives that are twisted and dangerous to people around them.
Psychopaths are not sick - their condition is normal to them. "Mentally ill" is not the category that they fall into and as such, psychopaths should and can be held accountable for their actions. Mentally ill people are not neccessarilly accountable for how they behave.
95% of mentally ill people are not violent. 95% of violent acts are committed by people who are not mentally ill.*
*sorry...can't provide a reference...this was a statement made by a psychiatrist speaking about war veterans with PTSD.
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Getting the Urge!
by Theburstbubble inevening folks, so as some of you may know we have recently decided to leave the witnesses and can see it for the man made organisation it is.
so, why do i get the urge to go back and feel guilty for not being there!
it's like my mind is telling me to be logical about it all but then something keeps pulling me back.. don't get me wrong i really want to break free from it all and i'm resisting the urge to go back as i have been miserable in the truth for a long time as i've known it's not right and want to do the best by my daughter.
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Theburstbubble: So, why do I get the urge to go back and feel guilty for not being there! It's like my mind is telling me to be logical about it all but then something keeps pulling me back.
Burstbubble, I think you are probably feeling the effects of "comfort zone".
When we move into new environments, even when that new place is a better place to be, our conditioned pysche is uncomfortable and we often respond with the urge to seek out what is the most familiar, not neccessarily that which is the best.
It's okay...you just have to give yourself time to adjust to your new surroundings. Pretty soon, that old comfort zone will be replaced with the new and better comfort zone. Give yourself time and make yourself familar with your new world.
Take Wisdom's advice and plan fun events exactly at the time that meetings are scheduled. Go to the zoo or watch a movie or bake cookies....
Good luck.
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WHEN people leave a cult...MAN landed on the moon? Or critical thinking......
by The Rebel ini believe anyone who has voluntarily left a cult has shown they can adapt to new solutions, and have used " critical thinking" skills otherwise most would not have left.. yet i believe a safe place for support is still needed and this safe place i believe is searched for.. now i may not measure up to much in ways of education, but for me personally " critical thinking skills" = " new" a " new" way of thinking, that takes time for me the individual to be visual and to contemplate.
and the more i read about " critical thinking," the more convinced i am that i can live with the ridicule of those that claim i do not possess it.
furthermore i would say those that criticise others " critical thinking skills," often luck the sensibility and thoughts to snore, spit, and fart....nor would they understand a room full of tobacco smoke and cheap booze...where " critical thinking " can often be found in its most profound, in the most sensitive poems and "pictures" that were ever drawn.
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cappytan: I would venture to say that the fact that someone was able to leave the cult means they have at least SOME measure of critical thinking skills.
Not neccessarily.
The 'fact' that someone was able to leave the cult is not always evidence of rational thought. Most people are attached to the cult because of an emotional attachment, not a rational attachment.
Leaving the cult is often an emotional choice and has little to do with the concept of critical thinking.
Critical thinking skills do not (and should not) require an emotional involvement.
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Ambulance chasers
by Diogenesister inmornin',.
not feeling too clever at the moment...so sent off to the hospital for more tests....off the bus, round the corner......run slap bang into my first one...its witnessin'cart himself!!
right outside the hospital gates!
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secretslaveclass: Do they first make you swear to serve the GB before administering first aid? And when they drop you off at the hospital do they ask for a donation?
Dunno...but I betcha they don't carry blood in that ambulance.
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VA shooting suspect was raised a JW! He mentions it on his Twitter account
by WingCommander inanyone in the usa following this morning's shooting "on-air" live tv will know what i'm talking about.
bryce williams (not real name, but on-air name) shot and killed 2 people on live television this morning in roanoke, va. he was wearing a go-pro camera, and uploaded his first-person video onto his social media accounts.
i've seen his twitter feed (before it was taken down), and not very far down he mentions being raised a jw.
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WC: Hey Simon, who was it again who stood up to an armed terrorist with an AK-47 shooting people on a train in France in the past week? Was it French citizens? Where were the Mounties???? I do believe it was (3) American Military servicemen on leave.
Aw, WC...now you are just being silly.
Lol! The Mounties are in Canada. Why would you expect them to be on a train in France????? Silly boy...
American Servicemen. Yes. Trained military servicemen. Not some American soccer mom with a handgun in her purse or an American kid who got his hands on his dad's pistol from the bedstand.