Yeah, I laugh every time another article comes out about a JW being a pedophile and the 'official' response is always the same lying rhetoric. It reminds me of asking a kid if they ate the last piece of cake and they say "no" when they have chocolate icing all over their face.JWGoneBad:
A church spokesman said: “Jehovah’s Witnesses abhor child abuse and view it as both a despicable crime and a sin. “Anyone who commits the sin of child abuse faces expulsion from the congregation and any suggestion that Jehovah’s Witnesses cover up child abuse is false.”
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Harry Holt - JW elder sexually assaulted 8 girls over 4 decades
by OrphanCrow inchurch elder who sexually abused vulnerable children was invited to speak at first victim’s wedding.
a church elder who sexually abused vulnerable children was invited to speak at his first victim’s wedding, a court heard.. a court was told harry holt, 71, now of rutland street, nelson, went on to attack seven more girls as young as nine after the jehovah’s witnesses failed to report him to police.when the matter was raised, a local beat officer advised parents to ‘just keep your children away from him’, the court heard.. holt is facing a lengthy prison sentence after being convicted of attacks against eight girls in scotland dating back over 40 years.. .
full article at link..
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Harry Holt - JW elder sexually assaulted 8 girls over 4 decades
by OrphanCrow inchurch elder who sexually abused vulnerable children was invited to speak at first victim’s wedding.
a church elder who sexually abused vulnerable children was invited to speak at his first victim’s wedding, a court heard.. a court was told harry holt, 71, now of rutland street, nelson, went on to attack seven more girls as young as nine after the jehovah’s witnesses failed to report him to police.when the matter was raised, a local beat officer advised parents to ‘just keep your children away from him’, the court heard.. holt is facing a lengthy prison sentence after being convicted of attacks against eight girls in scotland dating back over 40 years.. .
full article at link..
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Church elder who sexually abused vulnerable children was invited to speak at first victim’s wedding
A CHURCH elder who sexually abused vulnerable children was invited to speak at his first victim’s wedding, a court heard.
A court was told Harry Holt, 71, now of Rutland Street, Nelson, went on to attack seven more girls as young as nine after the Jehovah’s Witnesses failed to report him to police.
When the matter was raised, a local beat officer advised parents to ‘just keep your children away from him’, the court heard.Holt is facing a lengthy prison sentence after being convicted of attacks against eight girls in Scotland dating back over 40 years.
Full article at link.
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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?
by tor1500 ini've been thinking this for a while.
even before the arc scandal.
it seems no matter what, the org.
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fisherman: ...the problem with them was not the parishioners confessing sins but church minsters doing the crimes. With the JW it is about reporting sinners to the police.
And therein lies the fundamental problem.
When you speak of the Catholic priests you call them "ministers doing the crime".
Yet, when you speak of JWs, all of a sudden those "crimes" become "sins".
Here, let's fix that for you:
"With the JW it is about reporting criminals to the police."
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What is the alternative to JW?
by Formerbrother ini mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
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formerbrother: its Jehovah who wrote the bible
Hahaha! I bet you bought one of these bibbles:
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What is the alternative to JW?
by Formerbrother ini mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
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PS, Most people dont know, but JWs always get the very best medical treatment. If medical staff know they absolutely can not transfuse blood, then they have to give the very best medical care from the start.
Watchtower propaganda.
What a load of bullshit. So f***ing high that it stinks to high heaven.
If that were the case, then why has over 100,000 JWs died from refusing blood??????
If you call being a guinea pig for bloodless medicine "getting the best treatment"...then go ahead, die for the profit of the bloodless medicine industry. Lay your babies on the altar of the blood god Jehovah.
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Next steps for the Austrailian Royal Commission
by Coded Logic insince the watchtowers' lawyers have (a) failed to make any recommendations to the arc that would bring the watchtower up to date with "best practices and procedures" (b) have failed to submit a proposal for victim restitution (c) have failed to secure funding for a redress scheme and (d) have completely dismissed all the arcs' findings - what's the royal commission's next course of action?.
i see two possibilities:.
) negotiate a settlement with the watchtower.
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Jeremiah: The only hope for new converts is in third world countries without ready access to the internet. However, without new converts in advanced countries, the money will dry up.
Unless, of course, the WTBS gets government aid for all their wonderful work in language revitalization and translation and such...you know...for literacy programs and all that. JWs who are in third world and developing countries will apply for government aid to fund their 'literacy' programs (it is already happening in Africa).
New converts will happen in developed countries as well. Maybe slower, but they will be there. Besides, the JWs with money will continue to 'contribute' to ensure that the WTS teaches the congregants in the 'correct' way to live their lives (and die)...the way that will profit the wealthy JWs.
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Next steps for the Austrailian Royal Commission
by Coded Logic insince the watchtowers' lawyers have (a) failed to make any recommendations to the arc that would bring the watchtower up to date with "best practices and procedures" (b) have failed to submit a proposal for victim restitution (c) have failed to secure funding for a redress scheme and (d) have completely dismissed all the arcs' findings - what's the royal commission's next course of action?.
i see two possibilities:.
) negotiate a settlement with the watchtower.
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talesin: shepherdless - we are Commonwealth cousins, and I figured (from what I've read) that the ARC is similar to our system,.
There are similarities between Canada and Australia. The process that I am thinking of in Canada that is somewhat similar to the ARC is the work that has been done, and is being done, to address the historical abuse of indigenous people in Canada.The Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples was launched in 1991 and the report released in 1996.
This was followed by an independent class action lawsuit by residential school survivors against the Government of Canada. Merchant Law Group negotiated the residential school payments and a judgment was issued against the Government of Canada in 2005 (court authorized notice).
In December 2015, the Truth Reconciliation Report was released after years in the making. The TRC took seven years - it was established in 2008.
And the newest inquiry to finally, finally begin to get underway, is an inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls in Canada.
Also, in Canada, punitive damages are hard to win, and amounts awarded are pretty much infinitesimal compared to the ones in the USA.
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Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister
by cappytan inthis video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.
however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.
feel free to claim credit here.
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You are welcome, Jhine.
For anyone who is faced with having to deal with someone who is suicidal, here is some good advice:
http://www.suicide.org/how-to-help-a-suicidal-person.html
note this little item:
do not allow untrained individuals to act as the only couselors to the individual
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Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister
by cappytan inthis video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.
however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.
feel free to claim credit here.
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At the end of the video, I couldn't figure out if that creepy elder was thanking Jehovah for the magical recovery of a suicidal sister or if he was really happy that he was getting cookies.
I rarely watch WT propaganda but I did watch this video. Very, very disturbing. So disturbing in fact, that two suicide prevention organizations now have a copy of that video in their inbox.
I sent an email and the video to:
Canadian Association for Suicide Prevention
World Health Organization - Suicide Prevention
I think that the rest of the world needs to know how dangerous the JW cult is for people with mental health problems. I don't know if my emails will be considered, but maybe both organizations (and other suicide prevention associations) need to be flooded with emails from concerned people.
jhine: I know that they had to choose between a man or a woman and maybe would have chosen either , but are they implying that women are mentally more unstable ?
Of course it was deliberate. The woman is always cast as the victim - that way, the men get to look like wonderful exemplary men who are without blemish. Ugh...it made me ill to watch the elders go inside that single woman's home and sit there while she was alone. Ugh. Never in a million years would I want that to happen to me.*
*actually, it did happen to me. When I was thirteen years old - two elders muscled their way into my house when I was alone. It pissed me off then and nothing has changed - it still pisses me off.
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Control - Whose worse, the JWs or the traditional churches?
by fulltimestudent inwe once experienced, the "you'll die at armegeddon," fear instilled into us as jw's.. was that worse or better than the fear of eternal torment instilled by more conventional religions?.
john spong gives his view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkah3hemv3m.
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You just don't want to be a choir boy (or whatever they called it)
Altar boy.
haha, just thinking of all the "recovering Catholics" I have met in the past 35 years
Me too. My friend calls herself a "lapsed Catholic". She is an accomplished and published author and a few years back she published a book of poetry. Some really incredible poems in it that explore the Catholic experience.
