Posts by OrphanCrow

fisher: The outrage that was being expressed about the RCC was that their ministers were the ones being accused of engaging in child abuse without being censured by the church -NOT THE PARISHIONERS confessing sins.

You bring up a salient point.

In the Catholic Church, the focus is on the priests who abuse children. The priests - the ones in charge of the congregation.

In the JWs, the child abuse is being committed by, not only the "ministers", but by the membership themselves. The child abuse is systemic within the entire congregation, not just the clergy class.

You are certainly right that there is a difference - the JWs' problem is more far reaching than the Catholic Church - it concerns all the congregants in addition to the clergy.

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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i've been thinking this for a while.

even before the arc scandal.

it seems no matter what, the org.

OrphanCrow

fisher: The church cannot exist with mandatory reporting. At least if the state enforces it or if the church starts calling the cops - goodbye charlle.

Good.

Mandatory reporting is in place for one purpose and one purpose only.

To PROTECT CHILDREN.

The rest of society doesn't give a shit if the "sinner" gets absolution from their church. The rest of society puts the welfare of children above the welfare of a church.

Any "church" that promotes secrecy about child abuse does not deserve to receive recognition in our culture. It should not be called a church when it is a haven for criminals that harm children.

Goodbye Charlie.

Love,

Aristotle

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Harry Holt - JW elder sexually assaulted 8 girls over 4 decades

by OrphanCrow in

church elder who sexually abused vulnerable children was invited to speak at first victim’s wedding.

a church elder who sexually abused vulnerable children was invited to speak at his first victim’s wedding, a court heard.. a court was told harry holt, 71, now of rutland street, nelson, went on to attack seven more girls as young as nine after the jehovah’s witnesses failed to report him to police.when the matter was raised, a local beat officer advised parents to ‘just keep your children away from him’, the court heard.. holt is facing a lengthy prison sentence after being convicted of attacks against eight girls in scotland dating back over 40 years.. .

full article at link..

OrphanCrow

HappyOtB: I would never have thought it of him. He was a down to earth bloke who worked hard and was well liked....
I guess it goes to show - we never really 'know' anybody.

You are exactly right - we do not know what a person is really like until we meet them behind closed doors. And sometimes not even then.

Sometimes the people who present themselves as the nicest are actually the most evil.

Dr. Jekell and Mr. Hyde.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

OrphanCrow

Yes, lots of churches have missions. Nothing new.

In fact, the newcomers on the block are the JWs. It kills me when JWs come out with "we are the only ones who preach!!!!"

Mission work had been going on for centuries before the Johnny Come Lately JWs showed up on the scene.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionary

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

OrphanCrow

formerbrother: Please tell me another Church who is involved in this global preaching work?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i've been thinking this for a while.

even before the arc scandal.

it seems no matter what, the org.

OrphanCrow

finkelstein: For decades this organization has been doing this very thing and even pointed its finger at the Catholics for doing so.

They still are. Note fisherman's last post.

Rather than address a defect in the JW's, he conveniently gave a link to the Catholic Church's issues.

"See? Look at them!"

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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i've been thinking this for a while.

even before the arc scandal.

it seems no matter what, the org.

OrphanCrow

You are using deflection, fisherguy.

Address the way that JWs (and you) regard child abuse a "sin" instead of a crime. That is what my post was about.

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Does anyone think Jehovah is protecting the org. despite all the talk about THE ARC ?

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

i've been thinking this for a while.

even before the arc scandal.

it seems no matter what, the org.

OrphanCrow

tor1500:
I hope you get a chance to read my posts, if you have the time.I kind of like them. You see I'm a JW...

Ah...it must be cold where you are.

Be sure you enter your hours, dear.

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Harry Holt - JW elder sexually assaulted 8 girls over 4 decades

by OrphanCrow in

church elder who sexually abused vulnerable children was invited to speak at first victim’s wedding.

a church elder who sexually abused vulnerable children was invited to speak at his first victim’s wedding, a court heard.. a court was told harry holt, 71, now of rutland street, nelson, went on to attack seven more girls as young as nine after the jehovah’s witnesses failed to report him to police.when the matter was raised, a local beat officer advised parents to ‘just keep your children away from him’, the court heard.. holt is facing a lengthy prison sentence after being convicted of attacks against eight girls in scotland dating back over 40 years.. .

full article at link..

OrphanCrow

JWGoneBad:
A church spokesman said: “Jehovah’s Witnesses abhor child abuse and view it as both a despicable crime and a sin. “Anyone who commits the sin of child abuse faces expulsion from the congregation and any suggestion that Jehovah’s Witnesses cover up child abuse is false.”

Yeah, I laugh every time another article comes out about a JW being a pedophile and the 'official' response is always the same lying rhetoric. It reminds me of asking a kid if they ate the last piece of cake and they say "no" when they have chocolate icing all over their face.