Posts by OrphanCrow

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Who Picks The Governing Body?

by millie210 in

hey everyone,.

just a simple straight forward question on exactly what the process is.

if a gb member died tomorrow, do the remaining ones choose who gets to be next?.

OrphanCrow

Who picks the Governing Body?

Well, that's easy...that's da Holy Spirit's job

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Medical Tourism and Medi-Coin - investing in bloodless medicine

by OrphanCrow in

meet mr. michael columbus - a jehovah's witness who has a personal financial interest in keeping the watchtower's noblood doctrine alive and kicking.. .

michael j. columbus - jehovah's witness extraordinaire.. linkedin profile.. summary of columbus' accomplishments:.

for more than 30 years i have been involved in blood management.

OrphanCrow

steve: The procedure you mention in your OP, OrphanCrow, involves the reuse of the patient's own blood "lost" during the operation.
Doesn't the organization forrbid this type of procedure on grounds that once blood leaves the body it is not to be transfused back, as in autologous blood transfusions?

Ilove is correct - both hemodilution and cell saver procedures are 'allowed' with the approval of the Watchtower Society.

Contradictory? Of course it is. Over time the Society put caveats on the procedures, but both of the procedures had been done (without those caveats) on Jehovah's Witnesses for decades before the WTS came out with their "rules" around accepting both procedures.

In 1982, the WT said that hemodilution was objectionable.

In 1989, the WT alluded that scavenging techniques were allowed.

It wasn't until 1995 that the WT actually came right out and gave approval for hemodilution and the cell saver.

Here is the problem - a HUGE problem. The Watchtower was fully aware of the procedures that were being tried out on Jehovah's Witnesses in the operating theater.

Hemodilution techniques had been used on JWs since at least 1963. And the WT knew it was. That is the procedure that the WT hero of the time, Denton Cooley, utilized in cardiac surgery on JWs, including children and infants. And the WT knew - once Cooley was successful in operating on JWs, the WT goons promoted the use of hemodilution and cell savers on JWs when they approached medical doctors with their threats of "do it our way or we will see you in court".

The HLC was formally set up in the States in the early 80s but it had been piloted in Canada beginning around 1970. The JWs involved in arranging surgical procedures, for the unwitting JW patients, were fully aware of the procedures that they were pressuring the medical profession to perform. And those procedures included both the cell saver and hemodilution.

Literally hundreds and hundreds of JWs had those procedures done to them long before the WT came out with an "official" position on them. Decades, in fact. You can find many of them in medical journals - here is one of Denton Cooley's brag books:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC341795/pdf/thij00001-0060.pdf

Of course, once the bloodless world was beginning to be saturated with JWs themselves, it became apparent that there were problems with how some of these autologous blood transfusions were being done. So, by the end of the 80s and beginning of the 90s, JW medical professionals themselves became involved in the picture and that is when the caveats got put in place around the procedures to make it seem like the JWs were meticulous about following Biblical direction.

"Continuous flow" became the catch phrase for both autologous procedures.

diogenesister: Orphan Crow my blood pressure rises every time I read one of your posts....but I'm grateful all the same.

Yes, this material is difficult to process. The duplicate world of WT blood policy doesn't just make blood pressure rise, it also makes a person's head spin. It is crazy making stuff.

And UndertheRadar....no....I wouldn't buy a used car from Mr. Columbus. And I certainly wouldn't let him make my medical decisions for me.

Just the fact that so many of the JW men who are involved in promoting bloodless medicine are salesmen and not medical professionals should be telling all on its own.

What other branch of medicine requires so much hard sell? Why would effective health care procedures need to be promoted/sold?

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Medical Tourism and Medi-Coin - investing in bloodless medicine

by OrphanCrow in

meet mr. michael columbus - a jehovah's witness who has a personal financial interest in keeping the watchtower's noblood doctrine alive and kicking.. .

michael j. columbus - jehovah's witness extraordinaire.. linkedin profile.. summary of columbus' accomplishments:.

for more than 30 years i have been involved in blood management.

OrphanCrow

Ilove: OrphanCrow, what is your take on Aryeh Shander?

Shander, huh?

Lol! I would say he is president of the Jonadab class.

Seriously, Shander is the 'hero' of bloodless medicine. He is the one who co-authors the textbooks for blood management and promotes blood management all over the world. And the one who steps up to the plate whenever the JWs need an "expert" to be their muscle in court. He is like the "cult leader" for the bloodless cult.

He looks good, he does his job well, he is a great spokesperson for bloodless surgery/blood management/bloodless medicine...AKA Transfusion Free medicine.

That is the new "catch phrase" of the bloodless world - transfusion free. Which, of course, is another one of those loaded and misleading terms that has become part of the bloodless repertoire.

Bloodless surgery is not transfusion free. A patients own blood is transfused back into them - it is how hemodilution works - a large portion of your blood is drained out and replaced with synthetic fluids. After the surgery is finished, your blood is transfused back into you. The same with cell savers - your blood is sucked up and put through a filtration system (fat cells and bone chips removed...handy, huh?) and then all that squeaky clean blood is transfused back into you.

steve2:
There's got to be $$$$$$$$$$$ in bloodless surgery otherwise its provision would shrivel and no qualified medical practitioner would want to use it.

Oh yes. There is $$$$$ in bloodless surgery. Biotechnology does not come cheap - it is one of the most volatile markets that an investor can play in.

Artificial blood is considered the Holy Grail of the blood industry. If effective artificial blood could ever be developed, it would be incredibly valuable to military and to areas where blood has been tainted. Which, of course, is what is happening right now - Africa is a huge market for Hemopure. The WT thought they had the tiger by the tail with that one - they offered the JWs to the US Army to test Hemopure.

The Jehovah's Witnesses were to be the testers for Hemopure, and they still are the ones who push it to market. That is what the FDA compassionate use does. Never mind that the side effects and risks of artificial blood exceed that of "real" blood....of course that is never told to the poor unwitting JW sheep that are purposely led to the slaughter.

The goal of bloodless medicine is to create technology that will theoretically allow a person to "live forever". Sound familiar? And that technology costs money. Big money.

Haemonetics, the company that manufactures the cell saver, went from being this tiny little company back in early 70s, making a little machine that could harvest stem cells - to accommodate that wonderful breakthrough when stem cells were discovered in '68 (those Canadians, eh?). A handy little side job that those cell harvesters were able to do was....keep the odd Jehovah's Witness or two alive. Cell savers were also valuable for large blood loss surgery - ortho and heart surgeons adopted the use of them readily back in the 70s to reduce the amount of blood needed.

Haemonetics, formed when Baxter bought out American Hospital Supply, first promoted their cell saver machine by giving hospitals the machine to use. And so the company grew and they developed all sorts of modifications for their cell savers - filtration systems, etc....and new little machines for sucking up blood. And now, they have a big chunk of the global market for blood collection devices. Their products are used all over the world.

Oh yeah. There is money in bloodless surgery and such. What is rather humorous is the way that the bloodless world, in the late 80s and into the 90s, had $tar$ in their eyes and all of them were saying "this is the way of the future! Bloodless surgery will be the golden standard of care for the entire world!"

But instead...the world did not embrace the bloodless mantra, the holy grail failed when the FDA strangled the clinical trials, and the bloodless world had to re-group. Blood management became the golden ticket and they have been milking that cow ever since.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

OrphanCrow

Acts: To be honest, I am not permitted to teach

Ah!!

You must be a woman.

"Not permitted", huh? Who is stopping you?

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Medical Tourism and Medi-Coin - investing in bloodless medicine

by OrphanCrow in

meet mr. michael columbus - a jehovah's witness who has a personal financial interest in keeping the watchtower's noblood doctrine alive and kicking.. .

michael j. columbus - jehovah's witness extraordinaire.. linkedin profile.. summary of columbus' accomplishments:.

for more than 30 years i have been involved in blood management.

OrphanCrow

Meet Mr. Michael Columbus - a Jehovah's Witness who has a personal financial interest in keeping the Watchtower's noblood doctrine alive and kicking.

Michael J. Columbus - Jehovah's Witness Extraordinaire.

Linkedin profile.

Summary of Columbus' accomplishments:

For more than 30 years I have been involved in blood management. In 1998, I coordinated the establishment the world renowned Center for Bloodless Medicine and Surgery at Pennsylvania Hospital. After 10 years we reduced the annual cost of blood from $6.3M to $2.6M, and increased profitability to $10M net profit.
In 2010, I founded medi-coin, the first international bloodless program in Bangalore, India. This venture provides bloodless medicine and surgery at a significant cost savings compared to health-care cost in industrialized countries.
In 2011, I became an Adviser to the Board of Directors for Jah-Jireh Homes of America, a non-profit corporation established to provide assisted living care homes exclusively for the long-term care needs of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Legacy Place Cottages located in Allentown, PA, are the first such homes in the United States.

Currently, Mr. Columbus is a Sales and Leasing Consultant for Fox Honda in Auburn, New York.

Columbus founded Medi-Coin in 2010.

http://www.medi-coin.com/

Directors of Medi-coin:

Nadappan Varkey Paulose and Bernard Paul (or is that Paul Bernard - New York "executive coach"?).

Michael Columbus' interests with Medi-coin included medical tourism to India.

http://community.medicaltourism.com/m/profile?screenName=0ps1mmdcoeez0

And...Medi-Coin has its own facebook page (which appears to be inactive now - last post was made in September 2014)

https://www.facebook.com/wwwmedi-coincom-139878726022978/

From The Times Of India Bangalore

Date: 14/05/2010

Bloodless surgery to provide relief
TIMES NEWS NETWORK

Bangalore: Bloodless surgery is a safe and effective approach for early recovery as well as to prevent complications of blood transfusion. Interacting with reporters at Healthcare Global Enterprises (HCG) Ltd, hepatobiliary surgeon Dr Sanjay Govil, said: “Less than 20% of liver resections require transfusion. Earlier, it was considered that liver surgery was impossible without high volume of blood transfusion, but in reality, 80% of the liver related surgery doesn’t need transfusion. And, the objective of conducting bloodless surgery is to reduce blood loss.”
To promote bloodless surgery, HCG has collaborated with Medicoin, a medical consultancy organization, for providing quality healthcare service for those seeking bloodless medical and surgical management.
Cofounder of Medicoin, Michael J Columbus, said: “Performing a surgery without blood loss is bloodless surgery. US military is opting for bloodless surgery as the best and safe alternative in battle field where access to blood is difficult. Even in South Africa, where AIDS is rampant, bloodless surgery is considered as a safe option. In India, we are collaborating with HCG and our focus will be on research, training and to share expertise on appropriate blood management.”

HCG, the company that Medi-Coin collaborated with, has recently went public with shares:

Bangalore-based HealthCare Global Enterprises Ltd (HCG), one of the largest cancer treatment hospital chains in the country, has filed its draft red herring prospectus (DRHP) with securities market regulator SEBI to float its initial public offer (IPO).
Although the company is yet to freeze a price band, the proposed issue is expected to be worth around $100-130 million (Rs 640-840 crore), as per VCCircle estimates based on what it intends to raise through a fresh issue of shares.

There is very little in current news about Columbus' medi-coin interests, but it may have changed its name somewhat ... I am a bit unclear as to what it is up to now.
It might be this company now: http://medicoin.x10.mx/ but I am not positive about that. And...it could also be the Medicoin that conducts conferences for The Society for Regenerative, Anti-Aging and Aesthetic Medicine India (SRAAMI).http://sraami.com/

MEDICOIN 2015
Longevity & Regeneration: A Novel Approach
The 3rd International Indian Congress on Anti Aging, Aesthetics & Regenerative Medicine

A Jehovah's Witness involved in a "society" that focuses on anti-aging seems to be fairly plausible - it fits with the notion of "living forever here on earth".
Medicine and the Watchtower/JWs - such a fine, fine fit...how handy it is to have a religion that will back up "medical advice" for the profits of those JWs who are in the position to shake green hands.
If you want to know the reasons why the WT blood doctrine has shifted and slid around so much, especially in the past 20 years or so....you would do best to follow the money. Money talks and bullshit walks. The blood doctrine of the WT, in all its shapes and sizes and confusion, is dependent upon how much money is to be made from it. The blood doctrine has ZERO to do with the bible and EVERYTHING to do with how much profit can be generated for the JWs who are invested in bloodless medicine.

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That's great, more ammo for bloodless surgery.

by James Mixon in

ktla news this morning.

the topic bloodless surgery, dr. rahul jandial, md, phd surgeon and scientist.. "they will say i would rather die then receive blood from someone else, that will prevent me from going to heaven".. twitter, instagram and snapchat@realdrjandial or ktla.com/drjandial.

the discussion , jw belief...

OrphanCrow

James: Adolf Lorenz in the 20th central in Vienna came up with the methods for treating patients
with non invasive techniques. His medical practice was a consequence of his severe allergy
to carbolic acid routinely used in operating rooms of the era. His condition forced him to become
a dry surgeon.

Yeah...today's bloodless people like to say that Lorenz is their 'father". How silly.

Lorenz's methods were practiced by the chiropractors - bloodless surgery was promoted by people like George Starr White as a form of "deep massage". Early bloodless medicine had nothing at all to do with the transfusing of blood. Nothing at all.

Bloodless surgery practiced by Lorenz was totally non-invasive. The methods that Lorenz used were popular with the Watchtower "doctors" - the osteopaths and the chiros. Bloodless surgery (deep massage) was used by the "doctors" who were anti-AMA. It was also the method that Dr. Felix Kersten used on Heinrich Himmler.

Modern bloodless surgery is so far removed from what Lorenz was practicing that it is strange that the new methods still carry that old chiro term from the early 1900s.

Today's "bloodless" methods are VERY invasive - in fact, far more invasive than traditional methods of surgery that use blood transfusions.

The JWs did NOT get this one right. I disagree.

The Watchtower Society has been relentless in the promotion of yet another one of their medical marvels - in years past it was the radium belt and the electric diagnostic machine and whatever quack cure that the chiros and osteos were promoting...in today's world it is the bloodless technology that is the Watchtower "baby".

They got it right? Well, if you want to buy into the bloodless cult propaganda...for myself, I don't buy into it. The WTS has NEVER got anything right. Why would their blood stance be right? Nope, I don't buy into the fear mongering and inaccurate medical research that the WTS has promoted. Not for one single minute. Not one second.

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That's great, more ammo for bloodless surgery.

by James Mixon in

ktla news this morning.

the topic bloodless surgery, dr. rahul jandial, md, phd surgeon and scientist.. "they will say i would rather die then receive blood from someone else, that will prevent me from going to heaven".. twitter, instagram and snapchat@realdrjandial or ktla.com/drjandial.

the discussion , jw belief...

OrphanCrow

steve2: Also, the article does not identify Dr Sherri Ozawa as a Jehovah's Witness. BTW, OrphanCrow, Sherri Ozawa likely has a doctorate in nursing and is not a medical doctor,

No, she is not identified as a Jehovah's Witness in the article.

And the last I checked, Sherry does NOT have a doctorate in nursing. That is a new title. I am sure that she will claim that it is a journalist error...but, I have noticed that the bloodless WT drones have a nasty little habit of either hiding their lack of education or they make it up. My guess is that it is a deliberate exaggeration.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/sherri-ozawa-6102b710

Sherry has been VERY active in the blood management world for years now and it is common knowledge that she is a Jehovah's Witness, even if she rarely (never) self-identifies as one and it is never stated as a conflict of interest. And, we all know that being a JW has HUGE implications on how a person would carry out their professional responsibilities.

The research they cite comparing survival rates in intensive care (95% for Witnesses with bloodless surgery vs 89% for nonWitnesses who have transfusions) invite questions.

Does it ever invite questions. That research is hung out all the time whenever the bloodless people want to promote their quack medicine. The holes in that research are so big that you could drop a whole lab full of rats through it.

I note the article states that the child needed boosting of blood count prior to the bloodless surgery. Cool.

Yeah. The infant needed blood boosting - days, weeks? not sure....but, regardless...all that prep work isn't taken into consideration when they promote their quack brand of medicine.

The bloodless people just pull out that old research out of their asses whenever they want to say how good their noblood treatment is and they don't count how long and expensive it is to get their lab rats ready for surgery. They just talk about how they leave the hospital earlier after surgery. No follow up stats...they just get out a day or so earlier.

Incredibly irresponsible and lazy research. And bad media coverage - they just publish whatever 'feel good' article they are fed. And we know who does the media feeding on this.

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I was critically ill for a long time...

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

but thanks to the excellent health care on this site iam on the road to recovery, and can now fully appreciate what a gloriouse thing it is to be free from the w.t and savor approaching spring in all its beauty, ....however i am not sure i am ready for debating on all the boards many heavy threads about gods existence and evolution .. anybody else feal the same?

" tis a gift to be simple, tis a gift to be free, tis a gift to wake up and breath the morning air, and tis a gift to each day walk on the path we want to be....." .

the rebel.

OrphanCrow

TorninTwo:
But we should respect the stages of waking up that some might not be ready, or ever be ready, to dissect all faith in God Richard Dawkins s style.

Any statement that begins with "should" is problematic. And especially when it also contains the word "we"'.

Respect goes both ways - those who you are referring to who "dissect faith in God Richard Dawkins style" deserve just as much respect as anyone else.

They, too, are in their own personal "stage of waking up". They too deserve respect. Each and every person is in the place they are supposed to be and it is not fair to say that some should change where they are, and how they speak, just because it makes others uncomfortable.

TheRebel: ...however I am not sure I am ready for debating on all the boards many heavy threads about Gods existence and Evolution .

That is what is nice about hanging out here...you don't have to debate anything you don't want to.

Hang out where you want to....you don't have to jump in the water. Just watching and listening is cool, too.

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That's great, more ammo for bloodless surgery.

by James Mixon in

ktla news this morning.

the topic bloodless surgery, dr. rahul jandial, md, phd surgeon and scientist.. "they will say i would rather die then receive blood from someone else, that will prevent me from going to heaven".. twitter, instagram and snapchat@realdrjandial or ktla.com/drjandial.

the discussion , jw belief...

OrphanCrow

James, this link works better:

http://ktla.com/2016/02/23/dr-rahul-jandial-and-bloodless-surgery/

Humph...something is happening in the bloodless world...the outside bloodless propaganda has been getting amped up recently....

Whenever the media yaps about bloodless options, there has been something going on behind the scenes...wonder what it is this time.

The Watchtower bloodless media feed has sure been busy lately. Maybe there are some court cases going on behind the curtain.

CBS just put out a bloodless fluff piece* as well:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/doctors-explore-potential-benefits-of-bloodless-surgery/

*Heh...Sherry Ozawa is a doctor now!?!!! Wow...I wonder if that was an inside Watchtower promotion or if she actually got her doctorate. It seems like the Watchtower degree requirements have a different scale than most.

Nice gig if ya can land it....from JW publisher to JW Registered Nurse, and now....a JW doctor! And who said that education was discouraged in the WT?....pffft. Not if ya know the right people. Way to go Sherry!!!! And a JW woman, to boot! Wow....look at 'er go...a fine upstanding role model she is for all you young JW women.

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People's Pulpit?

by bcpenney in

i believe there was a magazine or newspaper published during russell's time called the people's pulpit.

i'm specifically trying to locate vol.

can anyone point me in the right direction?

OrphanCrow

Atlantis: People have always wondered why they didn't see that article in English here in the US. When it comes to the Watchtower Society, you never know what is going to be in print, or what they are going to believe tomorrow, or what statement their (new light) will cause them to say.

And... the German Watchtower articles in WW1 that listed the Bible Students who had died fighting for Germany. And the articles encouraging the Bible Student women to write to the Bible Students who were at the front wearing German uniforms during the first world war.

Politically neutral? Ha!

Conscientious objectors? Ha!

That would depend on which Watchtower you read at the time - the 'Merican one or the German one.