Posts by OrphanCrow

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Did I open the gate to the realm of demons?

by redpilltwice in

this is what happened.

i had a sore tendon in my wrist.

i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.

OrphanCrow

fukitol: Better to just accept that there are some forces and mysteries that we can't explain or comfortably fit into a purely materialist paradigm. Doesn't mean you're compromising on atheism.

Lol! yes, there will always be couch sitters in the world. There will always be those who find it easier to just "go with the flow". No issues, no problems...and no thinking

Oh, and by the way...where the *beep* did you pull atheism from???? It is a strange comment in this context. It sort of resembles a red herring actually

There are things that can be discussed on this forum that have nothing at all to do with belief/nonbelief in a deity

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Fb pages

by Drwho in

im not a jw and never was but had a bad encounter with one , ie my gf was one .

anyway , i was wondering if fb pages are actually allowed , i thought the wt frowned upon them ?

here is one i discus in regularly , maybe take a look and leave a comment on the tripe they write , it looks very well done and presented ,https://www.facebook.com/honor.jehovah/.

OrphanCrow

jwdaughter: Anyone know why they are inserting a little e every time they spell out JeW.org on the pictures? As we all know, that is NOT the branding message

Could be to avoid copyright issues

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Did I open the gate to the realm of demons?

by redpilltwice in

this is what happened.

i had a sore tendon in my wrist.

i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.

OrphanCrow

redpilltwice: but hey, for now my healing lady saved me some paracetamol/acetaminophen...

Cool. Personally,for pain, I like the green herb. :)

One more comment about the role of belief in healing. A few years ago, when I was consulting a medical doctor about pain, he put his hands on my shoulders and looked me in the eye and said, "I believe you. Your pain is not 'just in your head'. I believe you."

And you know, his belief helped me cope with the pain. So, when it comes to belief, sometimes all a person needs is for someone to believe in them....not the other way around

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Who ‘wondered admiringly’ at the League of Nations to fulfill Revelation 17:8?

by Gilgamesh in

i didn't recall this topic being discussed for quite a while, so i am including the first half of an article i posted on another site: , .

who ‘wondered admiringly’ at the league of nations to fulfill revelation 17:8?.

summary: the watchtower explains that the initial beast of revelation 17:8 is the “league of nations.” revelation 17:8 (nwt) says that persons whose names have not been written upon the scroll of life will “wonder admiringly” at this beast.

OrphanCrow

gilgamesh: I had never really read about the IPU before (League's predecessor) and its history reminded me even more of how silly the whole prophetic application is.

For some more background on the League of Nations, it roots can actually be traced back to the Hague Convention of 1899.

The peace conference was proposed on 24 August 1898 by Russian Tsar Nicholas II.[8] Nicholas and Count Mikhail Nikolayevich Muravyov, his foreign minister, were instrumental in initiating the conference. The conference opened on 18 May 1899, the Tsar's birthday. The treaties, declarations, and final act of the conference were signed on 29 July of that year, and they entered into force on 4 September 1900.

What is interesting about Tsar Nicholas' motivations in establishing an international court, is that the Baha'i's claim input into the start of that idea. Before Nicholas took power, his father, Alexander III, had a friendship with a Baha'i man. According to Baha'i history, this man influenced Alexander on ideas of international peace and the methods to be followed in order to see that fulfillment (modeled on the Baha'i's "International House of Justice"). When Alexander died prematurely. his son Nicholas took up his father's mission to establish an international court of peace.

The Baha'i faith is considered to be an apostate sect of Islam. They share many similarities in structure and doctrine to the WTS (and many differences too)

According to the Baha'i's:

There have been three attempts in the past to implement Baha'u'llah's plan for a Universal House of Justice.
Czar Nicholas II of Russia made the first attempt in the late 1800's. He had many of Baha'u'llah's principle writings translated into Russian and had studied the Plan for the UHJ. At the first Hague Peace Conference in 1899, the Czar proposed the idea to have a World Court represented by all of the nations to solve the difficult problems of the world. Those present thought it was a wonderful idea and they eulogized the Czar so much that it all went to his head and he failed to proclaim Baha'u'llah, the Author of this wondrous Plan. Because he failed to do this, the World Court became very secular and we had WWI.
American President Woodrow Wilson made the next attempt. Wilson's daughter was a Baha'i, and many of Baha'u'llah's works outlining the UHJ were in the White House library, which he had studied. He decided to try to form the League of Nations, but couldn't get the U.S. to join, so all of the nations weren't represented, and again Baha'u'llah was not proclaimed, so this body also became very secular and didn't solve anything and we had WWII.
Finally we come to Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR). He and his wife, Eleanor, were secretly Baha'is. They attended fireside classes for three years in the home of a Baha'i physician in Washington DC. FDR became very deepened in the Faith and wanted to form the United Nations. The atom bomb was very near to being perfected at that time. His plan was to call the heads of state to the Nevada proving ground, explode a nuclear device, proclaim Baha'u'llah, and give this bomb to the UN so that all of the nations could simultaneously disarm. Well, Roosevelt died before he had the chance to do this, and when Harry Truman stepped into office, and they asked him if he'd follow through with FDR's plan, he said, "Hell no, we've got the bomb… the other nations can dance to our tune!" So now the UN is completely secular and solves nothing! It is a house of Injustice! ...

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Did I open the gate to the realm of demons?

by redpilltwice in

this is what happened.

i had a sore tendon in my wrist.

i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.

OrphanCrow

redpilltwice: OrphanCrow > (and I am not going to get into the dog story at all... that is a whole other ball of wax)
lol If you wouldn't have written that, I certainly would have asked about the dog!

Haha! Now that I have thought about it...I will take a crack at that ball of wax.

I have seen miraculous things happen when it comes to sickness and healing. With both people and animals. There is another common theme and that theme is caring/love.

Dogs have an unlimited capacity for love - they give and receive unconditionally.

I have known a dog that was diagnosed with cancer and given 2 weeks to live. Love sustained him for another year and a half. I had a dear friend diagnosed with cancer and given 2 months to live. He lived another year and a half. Love sustained him, too, and gave him extra time.

Caring, the sharing of love and compassion, can and does create miracles

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Did I open the gate to the realm of demons?

by redpilltwice in

this is what happened.

i had a sore tendon in my wrist.

i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.

OrphanCrow

Redpill, I am not discounting the experience of "healing hands". I have seen it work. I also know that pain is real, regardless of the source or cause - pain is pain.

What I am interested in is why healing hands work - what principles are at play.

With that said, I do believe that a person should approach and attempt alternative practices for managing pain only after a real doctor diagnosis. Unfortunately, I have known of people who went to a healer first - their pain disappeared but their undiagnosed cancer didn't. A responsible healer will always direct their patients to a medical doctor if they suspect a serious health problem

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Did I open the gate to the realm of demons?

by redpilltwice in

this is what happened.

i had a sore tendon in my wrist.

i could work with it, but nevertheless the pain was there.

OrphanCrow

justfine: Redpill- I don't think I can answer OC questions any better than I have. You have to be present and it requires touch. I think that alone makes it so she couldn't heal someone without their knowledge because their presence is required.

Thx...your reply is just fine :)

The way you describe this interaction is such that the presence of belief is there, even if the patient says they don't believe and the healer says it isn't necessary. The simple act of a person approaching someone else for help implies that even if that person who is suffering doesn't believe in the method the healer is trying, they want to believe it will work. They want to be healed. They don't go to healers just to waste their time...they want healing to work. They desire healing

So, saying that "belief" isn't necessary is really a dodge of the issue - the person being treated desires results. The motivation to visit the healer, and submit to them trying to heal you, is a desire to believe

The healing hands incidents that are reported always have a common theme - the one being healed is aware that the potential is there. A person doesn't receive that gift anonymously and without awareness (and I am not going to get into the dog story at all... that is a whole other ball of wax)

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Stem cells - Watchtower position

by Dagney in

does anyone know the wt's position on medical treatment using stem cells?

i don't even know how to go about finding out this information.

if anyone could tell me where to look or what the current position is by the society, i am most appreciative.. i would like to recommend the treatment to a jw relative, but don't want to get involved in an argument if it is forbidden.

OrphanCrow

Dagney, a couple of little pieces of trivia concerning stem cells and such...

Stem cell technology/biotechnology is one of the riskiest and most volatile markets to invest in (see The Golden Cell by Karen Van Kampen).

Bloodless surgery was the field of biotechnology that profited the most after the AIDS epidemic in the 80s/90s (see Blood: An Epic History of Medicine and Commerce by Douglas Starr).

Bloodless surgery owes its existence to private investors (pg 235, The Red Market by Scott Carney) :

Take the demand for blood. While stocks of blood in the first half of the last century meant surgeons could develop vastly improved surgical techniques, certain religious groups - most notably the Jehovah's Witnesses - were opposed to any sort of blood transfusion. Over the years the complete lack of demand led to private investment and eventually to great strides forward in the field of bloodless surgeries.

It sure would be interesting to know who those "private investors" were. Whoever they were/are, they sure would have a vested interest in keeping the blood ban alive and well.

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Russia's Supreme Court shuts down Church of Scientology

by OrphanCrow in

russian church welcomes shutdown of "moscow church of scientology".

moscow, july 1, interfax - the russian orthodox church has welcomed a ruling by the russian supreme court which yesterday upheld the legality of a shutdown of the "church of scientology of moscow".

"the upholding by the supreme court of the legality of the shutdown of the so-called church of scientology is seen as an important precedent demonstrating the state's determination not to recognize as religious those organizations that use people's religious feeling for malign purposes, " russian orthodox church spokesman vakhtang kipshidze told interfax-religion.the ruling in the scientologists' case is not a breach of the religious freedom since "it was proved in court that the very activity of this organization is an affront to human freedom as such," kipshidze said.the russian orthodox church regularly comes into contact with people whose membership in totalitarian sects left them deeply wounded spiritually and mentally, ruined their lives and happiness, the spokesman said.

OrphanCrow

Russian Church welcomes shutdown of "Moscow church of scientology"

Moscow, July 1, Interfax - The Russian Orthodox Church has welcomed a ruling by the Russian Supreme Court which yesterday upheld the legality of a shutdown of the "Church of Scientology of Moscow".
"The upholding by the Supreme Court of the legality of the shutdown of the so-called Church of Scientology is seen as an important precedent demonstrating the state's determination not to recognize as religious those organizations that use people's religious feeling for malign purposes, " Russian Orthodox Church spokesman Vakhtang Kipshidze told Interfax-Religion.
The ruling in the scientologists' case is not a breach of the religious freedom since "it was proved in court that the very activity of this organization is an affront to human freedom as such," Kipshidze said.
The Russian Orthodox Church regularly comes into contact with people whose membership in totalitarian sects left them deeply wounded spiritually and mentally, ruined their lives and happiness, the spokesman said. "This is why we see the decision against scientology as one that is directed at protecting the freedom and dignity of Russian citizens," Kipshidze said.
On June 29 the Russian Supreme Court issued a definitive ruling upholding the shutdown of the "Church of Scientology of Moscow" for incompliance with the requirements for a religious organization.
The lower court held that the activity of the religious organization was rather of a social and for-profit nature, which is inconsistent with the objectives of a religious organization. "Meanwhile, the organization receives unjustified tax preferences from the state," according to the case files.

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Contempt of court, case in San Diego county really disgusts me!

by Crazyguy in

this case has to be talked about by ever awake jw every apostate everyone.

this case because they refuse to hand over documents the court already knows they have because they handed them over before but heavily redacted, is the icing on the cake!

this case shows thier evil plain and simple.

OrphanCrow

Onager: Does anyone have links to media coverage or court reports of this?

http://dumaslawgroup.com/2016/06/28/jehovahs-witnesses-face-sanctions-withholding-documents-sex-abuse-case/