Posts by OrphanCrow

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Royal Commission Australia - Report into Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Society has been released

by OrphanCrow in

link to pdf:.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/getattachment/c2d1f1f5-a1f2-4241-82fb-978d072734bd/report-of-case-study-no-29.

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OrphanCrow

Link to pdf:

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/getattachment/c2d1f1f5-a1f2-4241-82fb-978d072734bd/Report-of-Case-Study-No-29

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Calls to amend Quebec Civil Code mount in wake of Jehovah's Witness death

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/jehovahs-witness-death-quebec-civil-code-1.3868610.

calls to amend quebec civil code mount in wake of jehovah's witness death.

calls to reform quebec's civil code are mounting in response to the death of éloïse dupuis, a 26-year-old jehovah's witness woman, six days after she gave birth in october.. emergency situations.

OrphanCrow

evilapostate: I think that parents should not be allowed to force minors to refuse life saving treatment involving blood.

I agree. I think that if a parent refuses a life saving blood transfusion for their minor child that it should be a criminal offense. If parents started getting charged for placing their child's life in danger, more children would get the medical care that they deserve.

Most countries have acts/laws that allow a doctor to transfuse a minor but that doesn't stop the JWs from acting out their blood phobia on vulnerable children. And it doesn't stop those medical doctors who think that it is just fine to try out alternative and experimental procedures on minor children when they decide that they will "respect" the parents' wishes.

How that applies to this case here, where a young mother died and left a child behind, is that the child had no say in whether or not it was okay for their mother to sacrifice herself for that blood phobia. I am totally in agreement that the child is entitled to legal representation when their future if going to be effected.

The JWs have no regard for anyone else except themselves. The blood doctrine has got to be the most selfish doctrine ever made - the impact that this doctrine has had on the rest of the world is immeasurable. The people left behind to cope when a JW sacrifices themselves, the medical staff forced to watch someone die who didn't have to, the health care systems forced to undertake procedures that are experimental and off-label, the extra financial burden that alternative procedures entail, the legal system that gets bogged down with individuals that represent a corporation, and a donor pool that gets sucked on to support the so-called bloodless procedures that use blood products in its delivery.

I support the right of an individual to refuse medical treatment(s). No problem - I am all in favor of it. What I am not in favor of is a corporation that gives inaccurate and incomplete medical information to people and then those people die because of that wrong advice.

I would like to see the Watchtower held accountable for giving out bad and inaccurate medical information. Their literature and publications are full of wrong conclusions and incomplete information. Their medical advice is just plain wrong. There is no way that an argument can be made that a JW's decision is informed. The only information they have (and that information is wrong) comes directly from the WTS. And the WTS has lied. Extensively. The JWs are not informed. It is impossible for a JW to make an informed decision.

If any other corporation gave out medical advice and that advice was erroneous, they would be forced to take their product off the market or be forced to correct their wrong information.

The comments on the above story are revealing - there are several JW apologists who claim that EPOs are a suitable and effective treatment for blood loss. That is incorrect - it is false. EPOs, used as the JWs do, are not effective for extreme blood loss and yet the WT still tells their adherents that EPOs are better and more effective.

I don't have a problem with someone refusing a blood transfusion or any other medical treatment. I want that option for myself. But I do have a problem when that decision is based on faulty information. If I decided to refuse a medical procedure because I believed that the procedure was bad, and yet I was given the wrong information to arrive at that decision, then I would be upset and so would all my friends and family who would be effected by that bad information.

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Calls to amend Quebec Civil Code mount in wake of Jehovah's Witness death

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/jehovahs-witness-death-quebec-civil-code-1.3868610.

calls to amend quebec civil code mount in wake of jehovah's witness death.

calls to reform quebec's civil code are mounting in response to the death of éloïse dupuis, a 26-year-old jehovah's witness woman, six days after she gave birth in october.. emergency situations.

OrphanCrow

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/jehovahs-witness-death-quebec-civil-code-1.3868610

Calls to amend Quebec Civil Code mount in wake of Jehovah's Witness death

Calls to reform Quebec's Civil Code are mounting in response to the death of Éloïse Dupuis, a 26-year-old Jehovah's Witness woman, six days after she gave birth in October.
Emergency situations
Dr. Antoine Payot, director of the ethics unit at Montreal's Sainte-Justine Hospital, says his clinical experience raises serious questions about the validity of refusals in emergency situations.
Those doubts led Payot and his colleague, emergency pediatrician Dr. Guylaine Larose, to pen a recent opinion piece in Montreal's La Presse newspaper calling for the Civil Code's modification.
In an interview with CBC, the doctors said they want the law changed to allow medical practitioners faced with a life-or-death situation to provide life-saving treatment.

*read full article at link

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Children and Blood Transfusions

by Listener in

a hospital in qld.

australia sought orders to allow a blood transfusion on a minor if necessary.

this occurred on the 12th june 2015.the child was 7 years old and required a liver transplant within the next two or three years otherwise death was seen as inevitable.

OrphanCrow

rebel8: If it is truly allowed for the parents to just shrug and say, "Oh well, whatareyagonnado?" and remain in good standing, this is a definite change in policy over the last 30 years.

Rebel, your memories of what it was like to be a child, trained to hide medical abuse, makes my stomach heave.

I think that the relief that the parents' feel is that they won't be exposed to the media that would be all over it if they had to go to court. The relief is the sparing of the public shame that they would have to face - and knowing that they would have to face it along with the very real internal shame they will carry until the day they die - the shame of knowing that they let their child die so that they themselves would be saved

It would not surprise me in the least if there are JW children all over the world, right now, going through the abuse that you did, Rebel. Just because a JW child needs a blood transfusion doesn't mean that hospitals, doctors or courts will even know about it so that something can be done.

And the JW parents are placated by the WT nonsense that they have bouncing around in their heads about how bad blood is. Their children suffer because the scenario that involves the intervention of the legal system most often comes as too little too late

6 pages of court cases involving JW minor children and blood

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Blood Ban Not Going Away Anytime Soon

by baldeagle in

at the recent circuit assembly in our area (nov 19/2016) a talk was given in the afternoon entitled “jehovah will resurrect the dead” it’s clear that the prohibition on blood is not going away anytime soon.

many of us here have expressed the hope that this death dealing policy would be softened or become a complete conscience matter.

not the case, jw’s are urged to not give in and to focus on the resurrection hope.

OrphanCrow

Tor1500: ...what's the chance of any of us needing a transfusion...not saying it won't happen, but what are the odds...

1 out of 3 people will need blood in their lifetime

(lots of references for this...google it and take your pick)

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Official Increase in the Number of Jehovah's Witnesses You Shouldn't Trust

by David_Jay in

reports are coming from witnesses that, once again, the number of memorial partakers has risen considerably this past year, 2016. while confirmation is still to come on the exact numbers, the current explanations given for this increase surely causes a dilemma.. imagine the roman catholic church publishing each year the number of members who it felt were mistaken about what they believed in, that this same number of members was likely suffering from problems such as pride or even mental disorders or something along this line.

this number, by the way, was in the thousands too and growing annually.

what would you conclude, therefore about the catholic church and its admission?.

OrphanCrow

The anointed is an overlapping number

The doctrine is going to change. The WT has full control on how many they choose to publish as partakers

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Anyone else hear of this?

by Tahoe in

jw
friends

a jw family member informed me they are filling out an application to preach the truth in israel.

interested ones in the congregation were asked to start saving now, as the cost of the flights would be their own responsibility.

the time frame for this preaching work is for a couple of weeks in may/june 2017. the applications are to be turned in this sunday.

OrphanCrow

wannaexit: They call it going where the "need is great" ...

Heehee...there is likely some prime property the WT wants to target over there with a harassment campaign. JW witnessing is good for bringing down real estate values. Jus' sayin'...

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Blood Ban Not Going Away Anytime Soon

by baldeagle in

at the recent circuit assembly in our area (nov 19/2016) a talk was given in the afternoon entitled “jehovah will resurrect the dead” it’s clear that the prohibition on blood is not going away anytime soon.

many of us here have expressed the hope that this death dealing policy would be softened or become a complete conscience matter.

not the case, jw’s are urged to not give in and to focus on the resurrection hope.

OrphanCrow

The speaker makes sure that he emphasizes that Christians "back then" abstained from blood and so should JWs today.

Well, it's a really good thing for the JWs that there are other people in this world besides those who think they are following some God directive about sharing blood. It is a good thing that not everybody became a "Christian" because where would the bloodless industry be without blood transfusion technology? It wouldn't exist.

Without blood transfusion technology, there would be no 'bloodless' surgery. It developed out of transfusion technology. Just imagine the world today without blood transfusions. Not only would the rest of the world be screwed but JWs wouldn't have the option of so-called bloodless methods.

Hypocrites.

It isn't a Bible command - it is a scraping of the barrel to try to justify the WT's phobia about sharing blood. A person can find anything they want in the Bible and use it to justify any ideology - the blood phobia came first and the excavating of ancient scripture came second.

Give it time...the next version of the silver sword will just insert 'transfusion' into Acts 15:29 and say that Jesus would have said that if the people of the time would have been able to understand it. "Isn't Jesus considerate and understanding of his audience? See how loving he acted towards those who didn't have his wisdom about the future?"

*to add...and another thing. He makes the claim that some people in the media portray JWs as refusing all medical treatment. I would like him to produce a source for that. I have been reading tons of material for years about blood and never once have I read anyone saying that about the JWs. Never once.

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My Grandfather has been bleeding.

by joe134cd in

my grandfather has been bleeding and the doctors suspect it could be the medication.

any way i was with my father coming out of the doctors office.

when he matter of fact told me that they wouldn't be taking him up to the hospital for a blood transfusion.

OrphanCrow

Joe, that is worrisome. I hope they find the source of his bleeding soon and do something about the medication he is taking (if they can).

Many years ago, I went through this with my m-i-l. She had been taking steroids for years for her asthma and it eventually caused internal hemorrhaging. The "wound" was internal.

But, the steroids had given her many years of life she wouldn't have had otherwise. Sometimes, that is the best a person can hope for.

It is unfortunate he won't take blood. So sad to say no to life

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Dr. Denton Cooley, famed Houston heart surgeon, dead at 96

by darkspilver in

the news of dr denton cooley's death is hitting the newspaper obituary columns around the world (friday 18 and saturday 19 november 2016).

he was quoted a fair bit by wt, particularly during the 1970's, with reference to not using blood on jw patients, for example:.

jehovah’s witnesses and the question of blood (1977), pages 55 to 56. courageous doctors who have agreed to operate on jehovah’s witnesses without using blood have often found the experience revealing.

OrphanCrow

RIP Denton Cooley.

I read Dr. Cooley's memoirs not long ago. By the time I had finished the book, he went from being just a name to earning a spot on my heroes list. An amazing surgeon and not only that, an amazing human being.

It disturbs me that the Watchtower tries to take credit for Dr. Cooley's accomplishments with open heart surgery, claiming that the noblood prime was developed for JW patients when, clearly, in his book, Dr Cooley makes it plain how and why the bloodless prime was developed.

*from an earlier post:

Dr. Cooley devised a no blood prime method in order to treat everybody. The JWs just happened to be able to benefit from a procedure that was meant to be bloodless all along. Cooley devised a bloodless method in order to do open heart surgery on all his patients - he did not "rise to the challenge" put forth by a group with invented high risk factors. Dr. Cooley rose to the challenge of how to do open heart surgery on everyone - a procedure that needed the heart to be free of blood.

In his memoirs 1000,000 Hearts, Dr. Cooley describes his early efforts with using a blood prime to start the heart and lung machine in order to divert the blood away from the heart (pg 107):

For the earliest open heart operations using an elaborate system with a Gibbon console. blood infused with heparin was used to "prime" the system, as with any other pump. On the morning of surgery, blood had to be collected from ten or twelve donors of the same blood type. This greatly complicated the procedures. Often, even though we started to collect the blood before dawn, we didn't get enough matching units to start a procedure until the afternoon or evening. Although the red cells were cross-matched, the other blood components couldn't be tested. Once the individual units were mixed together, minor incompatibilities sometimes produced adverse reactions. This problem was originally described by Dr. Howard Gadboys and Dr. Robert Litwak, who believed that it could be solved by using a non-blood prime. They had used this method successfully in dogs.

So Dr. Cooley started using a non blood primer in his open heart surgeries:

In 1961 my associate Dr. Atthur Beall and I began to perform dog experiments with a prime consisting of 5 percent dextrose in distilled water, and we were impressed with the results. We began to use this solution instead of blood to prime the pump for open heart operations in our patients. Before long, my team and I were doing eight or ten opeartions a day, whereas institutions that still used a blood prime did only one or two operations a week. By August 1962 we had operated on one hundred patients using this technique, which not only greatly facilitated open heart surgery but also eliminated blood-borne illnesses. Our simplified methods were a major advance. Within a year we'd done 241 cases using a non-blood prime. I believe that my popularizing this technique silenced the remaining critics of open heart surgery and led to the rapid acceleration in its growth. For this reason. I think it is one of my most important contributions. Although others, including Dr. Nazih Zuhdi and Dr, Allen Greer, had used a similar technique in a few cases, no one had pushed to make it an acceptable method.

Dr. Cooley does not describe his motivation for using a no blood prime as "rising to the challenge" of operating on Jehovah's Witnesses in response to the JWs setting up visiting committees. That didn't happen. The JWs had nothing at all to do with Dr. Cooley's innovation. Nothing. But, they were able to take advantage of his brilliance:

The use of a bloodless prime also allowed me to pioneer open heart surgery on patients of the Jehovah's Witness faith. Jehovah's Witnesses refuse to receive blood transfusions or any other blood products because of their interpretation of several verses in the Bible. Refusal of blood places them at high risk for any surgical procedure in which serious blood loss could be an issue. Unless the operation is done quickly and precisely, the patient could bleed to death. Shortly after beginning to use a non-blood priming solution, I did the world's first open heart surgery on a Jehovah's Witness. That was in May 1962, and within a year I had done six more cases.* In no instance was blood given before, during, or after these operations. the fact that I could operate very quickly meant that less blood was lost, so my cases were more likely to be successful. For many years I was the only surgeon willing to operate on Jehovah's Witnesses.**
* My first seven Jehovah's Witness cases are described in detail in The American Journal of Cardiology, vol. 13 (1964), pp. 779-781.
** My team and I would eventually operate on more than 1,500 Jehovah's Witnesses

This is the only place in Cooley's memoirs that he mentions the Jehovah's Witnesses. Cooley went on to perform 100,000 (?) heart surgeries and the JWs only made up a small part of that monumental feat. Almost all of Cooley's open heart procedures were bloodless - it was the nature of the procedure itself - it had nothing to do with the JW blood refusal. Nothing. Cooley's methods were not a response to the JWs- they were a response to his profession. The JWs have used Cooley's innovations to promote their no blood ideology. They have tried to take credit for something that are not entitled to.