Official Increase in the Number of Jehovah's Witnesses You Shouldn't Trust

by David_Jay 45 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • David_Jay
    David_Jay

    Reports are coming from Witnesses that, once again, the number of Memorial Partakers has risen considerably this past year, 2016. While confirmation is still to come on the exact numbers, the current explanations given for this increase surely causes a dilemma.

    Imagine the Roman Catholic Church publishing each year the number of members who it felt were mistaken about what they believed in, that this same number of members was likely suffering from problems such as pride or even mental disorders or something along this line. This number, by the way, was in the thousands too and growing annually. What would you conclude, therefore about the Catholic Church and its admission?

    For one thing, why so many unsound members? What kind of religion produces thousands of people like this? How does the Church know that these people have a mistaken view and what causes it? Is this a professional opinion, and if not, how could they even say such a thing about people?

    Next, how would I know if I bumped into one of these "questionable" Catholics? Should I feel comfortable if one of these was talking to me right now? Should I believe what that person tells me about their religion? If they are mistaken about their own religious hope, these should avoid trying to recruit other members, right? Maybe the Church should do something to make sure these people with these misunderstandings are never in a teaching or educational position when it comes to preaching the gospel to others?

    Well, as you might have guessed by now, I am not really talking about The Catholic Church. I am talking about Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Every year now, it seems, the number of partakers at the Memorial increases by several thousand. If the current count is right, a jump of about 8 or 9000 has occurred since the late 1990s.

    Jehovah's Witnesses say that many of these new partakers are likely just mistaken, that they may be suffering from some type of pride of even a mental problem. In other words, each time this number increases, the JWs are publishing an official count of people among them who are questionable.

    Just think, there are thousands and thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses who, according to this explanation on what is causing or behind the increase, aren't really following the true leading of the Holy Spirit, aren't hoping in something real, and may even have mental problems. And this growing number of questionable Jehovah's Witnesses is published every year!

    It is like saying: "Here is this year's official count of Jehovah's Witnesses you shouldn't trust when they tell you about their hope!" And the number is in the thousands--and increasing! What kind of a religion is this that it not only admits to producing this kind of member, but that some of the largest percentages of growth are experienced in the growing size of this group?!

    If this number doesn't really represent those who are truly anointed, what is it saying about these thousands and thousands of additional ones? And what about these going out into the public to teach the world "life saving truths"?

    Would you trust a Jew who was known to be mistaken about some of the most vital parts of their personal beliefs to give you an accurate view of the Jewish religion? Would you trust the person anymore if they were Catholic or Hindu or Baptist to offer the same about theirs? Or course not! So just think, there are thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses who are just as mistaken, and their number increases each year. Should you be receiving a witness from these mistaken people?

    If they aren't mistaken, then why say they might be? If they are, or just some are, why is your religion producing such a large increase in this type of person?

  • steve2
    steve2

    Just think, there are thousands and thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses who, according to this explanation on what is causing or behind the increase, aren't really following the true leading of the Holy Spirit, aren't hoping in something real, and may even have mental problems. And this growing number of questionable Jehovah's Witnesses is published every year!

    That could be correct. We just don't know.

    Remember that over twice as many people attend the Memorial as there are active Witnesses. Therefore, the Witnesses could legitimately - although lamely - argue that the increase in partakers is due to non-Witnesses in attendance wrongly concluding they have the heavenly hope and so they partake and are counted.

    There is nothing in the increase of partakers that necessarily points the finger at active Witnesses being mistaken.

  • David_Jay
    David_Jay

    Steve2,

    The hole in that argument is that this makes the current claim about new partakers illogical and unnecessary.

    It makes no sense for the Watchtower to raise issue with this in its study articles, questioning the mental health of the partakers or stating they are "still holding on" to the hope they had before they were Witnesses. The study articles are not for the general public (which is why they are no longer included in the general issue) but for members, for baptized Witnesses. If the problem was with non-JW attendees at the Memorial, that would have been stated and easily controlled (you can easily hold a "closed communion," like the Catholic Church does). But the counsel has been produced for JW members, and it has been directed at them.

    Consider the argument claiming that this is caused by "previous hopes" of the new partakers. How do they know what the "previous" or current hope for a non-Witness is? To have a previous hope means you disregarded it for something new. They only know this about Witnesses. It generally doesn't apply if you join one Christian group after being a part of another as they all usually have the same heavenly hope after death. How can they claim that non-JW partakers may be doing this out of pride or due to mental problems? You can't legitimately say this about a group of people who are just annual or one-time attendees.

    No, the excuses they make and the counsel given can only be due to the fact that baptized Witnesses are causing the increase.

  • prologos
    prologos

    Talking of Catholics, do they not have saints too? not just all those partaking of communion, but a special class guaranteed to be in heaven? Working in our behalf, like the already 1918 resurrected wt anointed? May be the GB, F&DS should hold court too, with a devil's advocate to sort out the insane partaker vs fake mess.

    Really, partaking is not meant to be an exclusive practise for the wt "saints", it is for forgiveness of sins, all Adam&Eve/s brood, brother.

  • steve2
    steve2

    It makes no sense for the Watchtower to raise issue with this in its study articles, questioning the mental health of the partakers or stating they are "still holding on" to the hope they had before they were Witnesses. The study articles are not for the general public (which is why they are no longer included in the general issue) but for members, for baptized Witnesses. If the problem was with non-JW attendees at the Memorial, that would have been stated and easily controlled (you can easily hold a "closed communion," like the Catholic Church does). But the counsel has been produced for JW members, and it has been directed at them.

    Thanks for your response David. I hadn't thought of that - but of course, you are right that the comments about partakers are addressed to the JW community.

    In that regard, I recall back in the day when I was an active JW that the local elders knew some nonWitnesses partook of the emblems and took it upon themselves to exclude those nonWitness partakers from the count of partakers. I imagine that was not unique to my local congregation.

  • myelaine
    myelaine

    dear prologos...

    you asked, "Talking of Catholics, do they not have saints too? not just all those partaking of communion, but a special class guaranteed to be in heaven? Working in our behalf,"...

    I THINK that the catholic church teaches that once a person dies they can no longer help those on earth. It is those left on earth that can help the departed by asking God to remember their life, accept them into His kingdom and grant them eternal life. It is the continuation of prayer, communion mass and faithfulness from one generation to the next that is the storehouse from which those on earth can draw from (that is why God is asked to remember them)...there is nothing to be drawn from them, ie. working on our behalf, once they are departed. That's what I've gathered from many a ukrainian catholic "divine liturgy of christian burial" and "homily" anyway.

  • prologos
    prologos
    me "I THINK that the catholic church teaches that once a person dies they can no longer help those on earth.

    Do not catholics believe those declared saints, do deeds to help earthlings? St Christopher for travellers? and on and on,? and does wt not teach that those anointed that were resurrected starting in 1918 are part of the spirit direction of the organisation, they just don't sit there with their harps, right? and

    How about the 1000s of closet partakers at home, sipping, and watching the full moon?


  • evilApostate
    evilApostate

    By now, 144,000 anointed would have died and gone to heaven since the 1st century. Thus, their doctrine is false. Consider below:

    (Acts 1:15) "During those days Peter stood up in the midst of the brothers (the number of people was altogether about 120) and said..."

    (Acts 2:4) "and they all became filled with holy spirit and started to speak in different languages, just as the spirit enabled them to speak."


    (Acts 2:41) "So those who gladly accepted his word were baptized, and on that day about 3,000 people were added."

    (Acts 2:47) "At the same time Jehovah continued to add to them daily those being saved."

    So in only one day 3120 were anointed with holy spirit and Jokehova anointed more and more daily. Given such a rate of anointing, then surely in one year, 144,000 would have been gathered. If we also add the thousands of anointed from Jokehova's Weeknesses since 1914 then we would surely have far more than 144,000.

    Hence, it is plain to see that this is just another failed doctrine.



  • prologos
    prologos
    Hence, it is plain to see that this is just another failed doctrine.

    failed, false, particularly if you consider that wt doctrine stipulates that if you partake unworthily, there is no fall-back to the earthly hope. multiple millions of "non-wt-Christians" partook, during the millennia, unworthily.

  • evilApostate
    evilApostate
    failed, false, particularly if you consider that wt doctrine stipulates that if you partake unworthily, there is no fall-back to the earthly hope. multiple millions of "non-wt-Christians" partook, during the millennia, unworthily.

    Really? Where do they say that?

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