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  FYI- Washington Post article for XJW legal nerds: Excommunication, Buddhists, temple control: An interesting new Supreme Court petition

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/12/15/excommunication-buddhists-and-temple-control-an-interesting-new-supreme-court-petition/?utm_term=.6f371ba712ef.

  excommunication, buddhists, and temple control: an interesting new supreme court petition.

  by eugene volokh the volokh conspiracyopinion.

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  Great thread title, Barbara

  This will be interesting to follow. Very relevant to the JWs
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  Brooklyn Brothers Signworks... WUT?

  by schnell in

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  the ad for this site came up here on jwn.

  http://www.brooklynsignworks.com/jw/?gclid=cp7ppbzr_tacfy-baqodwocm1a.

  i was not aware that these cart signs were being made and sold by essentially a private company or proprietorship.

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  tepidpoultry: Does anybody have an idea who pays for these carts?
  Is it the congregations and are they invoiced?

  From a reddit post:

  May 1 2014 letter to BOE:
  Requesting public witnessing equipment: The Congregation Service Committee will determine the equipment to be requested and where it will be stored. Public witnessing equipment can be requested in the same way publications are requested. We are pleased to pro- vide a document entitled Public Witnessing Supplies (S-80) that contains sample pictures and descriptions of standard carts, stands, tables, and kiosks. The equipment will remain the property of the congregation. Care should be taken to request only equipment that will be put to good use by publishers who have been trained in its use. The congregation may be informed that the cost of these carts will be covered by their contributions to the worldwide work.

  More about carts here:

  https://www.dropbox.com/s/ifm3qh6hxlbyy6r/S-80-E%2005-15%20PUBLIC%20WITNESSING%20SUPPLIES.pdf?dl=0
  
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  Have you ever known a holocaust denier? How did you feel about them?

  by Esse quam videri in

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  i sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home.

  my wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time.

  one day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier.

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  Thanks jwleaks - very interesting. Especially the bit about The Finished Mystery. I hadn't considered that the WT literature may have had an influence on Hitler's writings. After I read Mein Kampf, I had the thought that Rutherford had read Hitler's book and used Hitler's template of structural power to model the WTS organizational changes that were implemented in the late 20s and early 30s.

  ...the jehovah's witnesses, or bible students as they were then known, went greatly ignored by the Nazi party during the lead up to and commencement of WW2. They were not singled out for persecution or attack. They were tolerated if not ignored.

  That could have something to do with the lawyers that the German WTS employed - two(?) of their lawyers were Nazi party members

  Ilsa told me that both Rudolph Hess and Adolph Hitler eventually decided that the Watchtower, aka bible students, and Rutherford were trying to cause divisions on behalf of the US government.

  That is understandable, considering that Rutherford employed the help of the US government to get his precious printing presses released under the terms of the Versailles Treaty after the first time the presses were seized

  In my opinion, Rutherford and the jehovah's witnesses around the world share the blame in stirring up trouble when none existed.

  I agree
  
  
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  Brooklyn Brothers Signworks... WUT?

  by schnell in

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  the ad for this site came up here on jwn.

  http://www.brooklynsignworks.com/jw/?gclid=cp7ppbzr_tacfy-baqodwocm1a.

  i was not aware that these cart signs were being made and sold by essentially a private company or proprietorship.

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  But, wait...there's more:

  http://www.jwcartposters.com/

  http://www.graphics4jw.com/

  http://precisionsignsnc.com/public_witnessing.html

  http://esignbuilder.com/jwimprintsstore/

  http://www.wcanfield.co.uk/

  http://publicwitnessingsigns.com/

  http://clinicalposters.com/news/2014/1119-global-literature-cart-frames.html

  And for the guidelines on how to cart witness:

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/368630002/everything-you-wanted-know-about-cart-witnessing-but-were-afraid-ask?page=1
  
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  Have you ever known a holocaust denier? How did you feel about them?

  by Esse quam videri in

  1. jw
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  i sometimes did work for a lovely old couple who at times needed repairs done around their home.

  my wife and myself spent time with them, having tea and crackers from time to time.

  one day the husband and myself got into a conversation and he clearly showed himself to be a holocaust denier.

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  jwleaks: ... I did personally know Ilse Hess, wife of Rudolph Hess, Deputy Führer to Adolf Hitler. She died in 1995 in Victoria, Australia, in my home town. She knew my grandmother, Oma, who also came to Australia after WW2. My Oma was the granddaughter of King Leopold II of the Belgians. Ilse's revelations to me about the JWs, aka Bible Students, were in complete contrast to Watchtower's own sanitised historical revisionism.

  That is very interesting.Would you be able to expand on those contrasting revelations? Thanks
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  Reveal releases outstanding audio w/Trey Bundy doing interviews. One is with a former Bethelite who cared for old GB members

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  https://www.revealnews.org/episodes/secrets-of-the-watchtower/?utm_source=reveal&utm_medium=dist&utm_campaign=zalkin.

  not only will you hear howie tran, former-bethelite, but irwin zalkins talks about watchtower's child abuse secrets.

  debbie mcdaniels talks about her child abuse and you will hear trey actually talking to the jw who molested her..

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  This is an excellent piece. Trey Bundy has done yet another tremendous job.

  Thanks for posting this Barbara.
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  Our Art

  by The Rebel in

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  theRebel: :- However was the second one done by my 11 year old son or me?

  That is not a fair question so I won't answer it.

  I love talking and sharing about art, especially when it is art that the person I am talking to have done themselves.

  Art is communication, pure and simple. And I like to speak honestly about the piece under discussion.

  Your question reveals a common misconception about what art and artists are. The standard refrain of "Huh...my six-year old could do that" or something similar is a non-productive position to take.

  So. Tell me. You say it. You posted this and you say these are not gallery pieces. Tell me...be honest in your communication. It is your responsibility to be clear about the art - art is not a game.

  I do really like both pieces. The way the paint has been handled with complete joy and passion in the second painting is beautiful. I don't care how old the person is who executed it - whoever the artist was, they had joy in doing it and that joy has been communicated.

  And that is what art is about - communication. Art making is a language.

  Rebel, please, tell us more about the art you posted. The one who posts the art answers questions from the viewer - they don't ask them questions, the art does that.

  Who did these? How large are they? What kind of paint? What surface?
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  Our Art

  by The Rebel in

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  Rebel, I think you have taken these photos at a gallery - you can see the frames on the sides. If you had done these paintings, I think you would have given more information and included the entire pieces.

  I love the second one - a passion for paint. they could be yours...it is hard to tell without context.

  I had made a post first that said I thought these were yours but I changed my mind and did a re-post.

  As a part time artist, I will post a painting I did about 3 years ago.

  It is a self portrait and measures 4 ft x 5 ft

  
  
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  Norway: Hospitals Refuse To Accept JW Blood Card

  by darkspilver in

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  been sent this - could be an interesting story - seems totally unrelated to recent events in canada, but see under the sub-heading 'debate after birth' - translation is via google, which is unfortunately not very good :(.

  from the thursday 8 december 2016 print editon of agderposten newspaper - a norwegian daily newspaper with a circulation of just under 20,000 (so admittedly a relatively small regionally based circulation newspaper).

  jehovas vitner har laget et blodkort for overføring i en akuttsituasjon.

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  TheSearcher: Will those hospitals likewise ignore the warnings given by others via medical alert bracelets etc. if they are unconscious when admitted to hospital?

  What are the medical alert bracelets alerting for? Do those bracelets not tell medical professionals what treatment they need to follow in order to save the patient's life?

  The noblood card is entirely different. A noblood order is not about saving a person's life - it is a directive to not give life saving care.

  And that is where I think the comparison fails. So many people have become used to treating the JWs as though they have a special medical condition and they don't. Their condition has been created through a combination of religious superstition and bad science.

  They don't have a medical condition. They have a religious problem.

  What I took away from the article is that the medical doctors in Norway recognize that a person will often change their mind when they are faced with the reality of their religious choice demanding they give up the most precious thing that "God" has given them - their life itself. And they state that it happens often that a person will change their mind. That is why they want to be able to transfuse someone who is not conscious.

  It makes perfect sense to me. I think of all the JWs (and others) who have said "there are no atheists in the trenches". Likewise, "there are no martyrs in the face of death". Or, at least...there are many who give up their martyr stand when they are given free choice.

  I am all in favor of patients having the right to refuse any medical treatment they want - if they are in sound mind and have all the information they need to make their decision. And, that decision does not need to be based on a religious notion. Being unconscious does not mean somebody is of sound mind. They can't be - they are unconscious. The idea of a sound mind is one that should be challenged in the case of JWs.

  For example, if somebody presents themselves to a doctor for treatment of a broken leg but then refuses to let the doctor put a cast on it because the patient believes that a cast will give them cancer or leprosy, would the doctor consider that patient in their right mind?

  The Norwegian doctors, from reading the article, also will continue to give the patient the option of receiving blood even right up to the point of beginning a surgical procedure. They give the patient every opportunity to make a free choice and it seems that they will still continue to honor the patient's wishes...if they are conscious. It is only in cases where the patient is unconscious that it will be up to the doctors discretion to employ life saving blood transfusions.

  I think it is a good stand to take. It would have made a difference for Eloise Dupuis. She was in a coma for six days before the lack of blood allowed an infection to take her life. If she had been in Norway, the doctors would have been able to save her life and she could have went home to that beautiful baby she birthed.

  The JWs' rejection of blood is not a medical condition. They have a mental condition - their mind has been conditioned by religious superstition to reject life.
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  Angry and scared

  by BlackWolf in

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  i feel like everything that comes out of my mothers mouth is something negative and cringe worthy.

  all she seems to talk about with me is how terrible and demonic our disfellowshipped relatives are, how horrible the world and holidays are, or how she is so much better and "holier than thou".

  it really makes me sick sometimes.

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  BlackWolf: Every time they ask I just say that it's my own decision to make when I'm ready, and then my dad just says "well, when will you be ready?". It's really frustrating because if I try to actually talk to them about my doubts things will end badly like they did last time.

  Then don't talk to them about your doubts.

  Your parents want reassurances from you. I think they are fearful. Of what...who knows? It could be varied - fear that their baby won't make it to paradise...fear that they won't make it there if they aren't seen as good parents...

  Regardless, what you are doing/saying now isn't working. Maybe tell them, next time they ask about you getting baptized, that you are praying about it. And tell them not to worry about you so much because you know that Jehovah loves you anyways even if you haven't been dunked. Tell them that in your heart, and in your prayers, you know that Jehovah will tell you when the time is right. They won't be able to argue with Jehovah.