OrphanCrow

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  2017 Yearbook released

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw this on reddit:.

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/5mlgsm/2017_yearbook_of_jehovahs_witnesses/.

  overall the numbers are better than last year (1.8% growth compared to 1.5% last year -- as i predicted ;-) ) with an increase in all major figures including 1300 more congregations (i assume this is not physical kingdom halls?).

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  breakfastofchampions: Looks like 0% growth for the USA. I believe this is a first!

  The org took a hit in two years following the '75 fiasco

  The USA saw a 3% decrease in 1977 and another 3% decrease in 1978
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  Update to UK “Child Safeguarding Policy”

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  a known poster on this site (anon) says:.

  i have just received a text from an elder i've known for decades in my circuit who has some sympathy for my feelings and who is aware of the arc, the uk charity commission, etc., etc.

  here it is verbatim, and my reply.

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  richard: Just admit that no matter what Watchtower does, even if every expert and government in the world agree that their policy protects children you wouldn't be satisfied.

  No

  I do not allow other people to decide for me what to say, do, or think.

  Stop telling me what to "admit"

  You are in no position to make that kind of judgement about me or to tell me what to do
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  Update to UK “Child Safeguarding Policy”

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  a known poster on this site (anon) says:.

  i have just received a text from an elder i've known for decades in my circuit who has some sympathy for my feelings and who is aware of the arc, the uk charity commission, etc., etc.

  here it is verbatim, and my reply.

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  The ARC knows that they don't have the authority to make a change like you are bringing up.

  So what's your point in asking the same question over and over again?

  
  
  
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  Update to UK “Child Safeguarding Policy”

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  a known poster on this site (anon) says:.

  i have just received a text from an elder i've known for decades in my circuit who has some sympathy for my feelings and who is aware of the arc, the uk charity commission, etc., etc.

  here it is verbatim, and my reply.

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  You keep asking the same question, Richard. The question is rhetorical. But I will give a response anyways.

  The ARC will not accept this policy because it fails to address one of the primary concerns that was raised by the commission: there are no women involved in the judicial process.

  That is going to be a big problem for the org and one that will preclude these policies being accepted as sufficient.

  Regardless, the "if" in your query is just that, Richard...it is just an "if".

  So...IF the bear hadn't stopped to take a shit in the bush...would he have caught the rabbit?
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  20/20 special about scientology with a representative!

  by nonjwspouse in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  i just ran across it on abc.

  a scientology representative is discussing leah remini and others.

  the representative is such a spinner.

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  chaching: Spot on, wannaexit! Our dear, 'Monica Applegate'

  heehee..now you've started something

  
  
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  54 year old Jw pedophile molests 14yr old jw girl.

  by notjustyet in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  need someone to correct the article to let the readers know "it's not a church,.. it's a kingdom hall!!".

  please share and comment on their fb page to get some info out there.

  https://www.facebook.com/sunherald/posts/10157904826940532.

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  notjustyet: Need someone to correct the article to let the readers know "It's not a church,.. it's a Kingdom Hall!!"

  Nah. It doesn't need correcting. It is the JWs who need correcting. The rest of the world knows that it is a church - it is only the JWs who don't get it.

  The rest of the world does not need to be educated in JWspeak. If it was called a Kingdom Hall, it would just confuse people.

  
  
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  The 31 date blunders of Watchtower

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  dates (ad) of events once taught by watchtower as significant but no longer supported since nothing happened.. .

  "but bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.

  zion's watch tower 1894 jul 15 p.226 incredibly, today’s jw’s dishonestly prefer to rewrite history, claiming "jehovah's witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance, as marking the start of "the conclusion of the system of things.

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  Good lists...and, wasn't there a trumpet blast in 1919 as well?

  Not prophesied, but claimed later.
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  Interesting Information: The FBI Wanted JW Leader Joseph Rutherford Arrested - See Document

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://watchtowerdocuments.org/the-fbi-wanted-jw-leader-jo…/.

  the fbi wanted jw leader joseph rutherford arrested.

  in a memorandum dated march 28, 1941, the director of the federal bureau of investigation strongly suggested that joseph f. rutherford, then president….

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  Londo: This is amazing history

  I agree.

  I find it interesting that Hoover's letter is dated March 1941. It was exactly at that time that the flag salute issue was being challenged in the American court system by Hayden Covington et al. And then, in the summer following, the "Children of the King" assemblies were held where Rutherford recruited all those children to take up the challenge to the First Amendment by having them pledge allegiance to "The Theocracy" instead of to their country.

  The summer of '41 was Rutherford's last public speaking tour - he died a month after the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

  I did some research into that time period on this thread here (lots of links to Rutherford's talks and such):

  http://exjehovahswitnessforum.yuku.com/reply/349274/Pure-indoctrination-its-NOT-cute-at-all#reply-349274
  
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  Interesting Information: The FBI Wanted JW Leader Joseph Rutherford Arrested - See Document

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://watchtowerdocuments.org/the-fbi-wanted-jw-leader-jo…/.

  the fbi wanted jw leader joseph rutherford arrested.

  in a memorandum dated march 28, 1941, the director of the federal bureau of investigation strongly suggested that joseph f. rutherford, then president….

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  Full text of 1918 trial Rutherford v The United States:

  https://archive.org/details/RutherfordVTheUnitedStatesTrial
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  Update to UK “Child Safeguarding Policy”

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  a known poster on this site (anon) says:.

  i have just received a text from an elder i've known for decades in my circuit who has some sympathy for my feelings and who is aware of the arc, the uk charity commission, etc., etc.

  here it is verbatim, and my reply.

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  richard: This document will either be accepted by the UK Charity Commission as assuring them that the matter will be handled better or they will enter into more negotiations with UK Watchtower to make more changes. Either the Charity Commission will either be satisfied with this and end at least a portion of their investigation or will reject it and continue on with their investigation in full. This will probably also be used in Australia to show the ARC the changes they are planning on making to their policy. And again the ARC will either accept it or reject it and continue with negotiations.

  That is profound