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  Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day two (wednesday 8 february 2017).

  see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).

  jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.

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  RO: ... it could be construed...

  Only you, Richard. Only you.
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  USA: NYPD undercover cop resigns as he struggles with grief from killing innocent man

  by darkspilver in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from the new york daily post - tuesday 21 february 2017, page 14. the headline in the newspaper is: exclusive - cop quits in grief - undercover traumatized over killing innocent man.

  nypd undercover cop resigns as he struggles with grief from killing innocent man.

  an undercover cop who fatally shot a bystander during a gun-buy operation has resigned from the nypd — too distraught to remain on the force, the daily news has learned.. the former detective, who sources say suffers from posttraumatic stress disorder, left the nypd in october with a tax-free disability pension.

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  DoC, if I could put more than one dislike on your post, I would.

  Do you know anyone who suffers with PTSD? Ask them if they would trade that "free lunch" for a life without disability.
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  Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day two (wednesday 8 february 2017).

  see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).

  jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.

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  OrphanCrow

  If Plaintiffs knew beforehand without a verdict from the Court that wt would be found legally liable by the Court, why did Plaintiffs agree to settle?

  She "settled" because she got what she what she wanted. That is what civil court cases are all about - getting what you asked for.

  If you went to court and asked for some sort of compensation and then the one who you have asked for that from gives it to you...why wouldn't you take it?
  
  
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  Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day two (wednesday 8 february 2017).

  see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).

  jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.

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  Fisherman: WT liability was not legally established -no verdict.

  So What?

  They settled. They accepted liability with the settlement.

  Who's victim?

  Fuck off.

  
  
  
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  Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day two (wednesday 8 february 2017).

  see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).

  jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.

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  OrphanCrow

  Fisherman: 1.Colorful commentary has no legal merit.

  So what?

  2. No injunction was sought; Plaintiffs only wanted money money.

  So what?

  3. Moot. It is the Court's ruling and findings that is law; case settled without jury's adjudication; Plaintiff's settled for what they wanted- money..

  So what?

  I am really sick of hearing how victims are supposedly money greedy people. That is an accusatory position that does not take into account that the victims deserve that money. Of course they want money. Money is how our society functions - the victims require money for redemption and restitution.

  Yes. The victims want money. What the f*** else would they be going to court for???

  There is nothing wrong with a victim asking for financial restitution. Their lives have been destroyed and a bag of jelly beans doesn't do anything for them.
  
  
  

  
  
  
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  BREAKING NEWS!!! WBATS/JW's just SETTLE a lawsuit that alleged child sex abuse cover ups!!! Link to article.

  by UNCONDITIONAL LOVE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  settlement came five days into trial... the wbats/jw's house of "god inspired/light is getting brighter/spiritual paradise" cards are starting to cave in before our eyes... .

  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-settle-lawsuit-alleging-coverup-of-child-sex-abuse/.

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  pbrow: I am sorry people, you can try and place blame on a religion all you want but if the FUCKING PARENTS of the child who was abused do not go to the police these kids are and will continue to be fucked!!

  The parents are Jehovah's Witnesses. They follow the beliefs and practices of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Of course the parents are negligent - they have been instructed by their religion to place the org's health above that of their own child. Of course the religion is responsible. How could it not be a factor??

  As long as parents follow the WTS' directives, the kids will continue to be fucked.

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  Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day two (wednesday 8 february 2017).

  see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).

  jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.

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  After mulling over Jefferson's testimony, it has brought up a question for me.

  The Watchtower was trying to make the case that it is separate from the CCJW and has no links to that entity. They have been trying for years to distance themselves from the congregations in order to avoid responsibility for law suits against them and to protect the Watchtower's money. They started that back in 2000(2001?) when they split the CCJW off from the main WTS and they have used that argument repeatedly in court.

  My question is this: if the WTS makes the case that CCJW is distinct from the WT, how does that affect the religious tax exempt status of the WTS? Why should the WTS get tax exemption if they no longer have authority over the CCJW religion? Would that not mean that the WTS is not eligible for religious tax exemption?

  I don't mean to de-rail this thread - this is about Stephanie's court case...but it did make me think.
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  Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day two (wednesday 8 february 2017).

  see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).

  jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.

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  Thank you for posting this, Darkspliver.

  After reading about this testimony, it isn't difficult to negate all the justifications and excuses/explanations that this forum's apologists offered on this thread here.

  It is clear that the Watchtower settled this lawsuit because they had no hope of winning it.

  Stephanie Fessler won. She didn't just settle...she won. The Watchtower was backed up against the wall and they reached into their pocket to bail themselves out.

  This case is a clear win for all victims of the WT. Call it a settlement if you want...it is a win!
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  I need some advice please

  by JaMu in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  i am a non-jw girl dating a jw man for almost 5 years now since end of high school.

  most of the relationship has been long distance.

  when we started dating, we wanted a serious long term relationship that would end in marriage one day.

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  Jamu: I am a non-JW girl dating a JW man for almost 5 years now since end of high school. Most of the relationship has been long distance.

  Well...you did ask for advice...

  You need to find a partner that is on the same maturity level as you are. If you see yourself as a "girl" and him as a man...that could cause problems. Not that I think you are a minor...but, I would recommend that you start thinking of yourself as a woman as opposed to a "girl". Especially since you say you are dating a man and not a boy.

  Relationships have a better chance of success when both people rank the same, or close to the same, in power.

  Raise your personal value up, JaMu, and start calling yourself a woman. A grown up adult. Not a girl. A woman. A woman with the same value as a man.

  Women date men. Girls date boys.
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  Day 5 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Ends: Plaintiff settles in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day 5 in court - and apparently the plaintiff stephanie fessler has decided to settle..... http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/02/jehovahs_witness_sexual_abuse.html.

  jehovah's witness sexual-abuse-coverup lawsuit settled.

  february 13, 2017 at 2:37 pm, updated february 13, 2017 at 2:44 pm.

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  steve: Moreover, those legal arguments aside, it would not be unusual to expect that a religious group - any religious group - that claims exclusivity of standing with God - would lead the way in protecting children or at least show a robust willingness to learn how to do so, not fob off child safety as the concern of parents.

  Exactly. The WT relies on the argument that the sanctity of the family is paramount. They have fought numerous court battles over the blood transfusion ban for minor children using this position and are now using the same umbrella to avoid responsibility for not reporting child sex abuse.

  When an issue arise that concerns child sex abuse, the WT attempts to hold the parents accountable and blame them for not protecting their children. Yet, the WT will turn around and claim, in their response to the ARC, that the child sex abuse problems that they are experiencing within their group are mainly "familial" cases and because of that, the WT is not responsible for fostering child sex abuse.

  The first key submission made on behalf of the Watchtower & Ors was that:
  • familial child sexual abuse is not institutional sexual abuse, as has been acknowledged by the Royal Commission. Similarly it is self-evident that, when child sexual abuse occurs outside ‘institutional’ contexts as defined, the response to it does not fall within the Terms of Reference of this Royal Commission
  • the Royal Commission proceeds on the basis that, when an allegation of familial sexual abuse becomes known to an elder and is subsequently scripturally investigated by congregation elders, it ceases to be familial abuse and becomes institutional abuse. This conflation of familial and institutional sexual abuse does not accord with the Terms of Reference.

  Apparently, according to the WT, child sex abuse is a "family issue". They claim that the parents are supposed to protect the children yet the WT claims that the majority of the child sex abuse cases occur within JW families. How does that work? The same ones who are supposed to report the abuse are the same ones that are likely doing the abuse to begin with?