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Taped Broadcast of March 10, 2017 ARC hearing - youtube
by OrphanCrow inthank you to john redwood for making this available so quickly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzqvj0z7_ya.
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ARC Live Streaming site ?
by Gayle inwhat is the exact live streaming site for the arc today in sydney?
i hope someone or more here will be watching and giving info/quips throughout the case.
also, will someone here or elsewhere be able to 'save' a video of this (all or part).
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MuddyWaters: And LOVED the point about the age of consent, and that if the law had a specific limit for that, then why not simply follow the law...? (They were talking about a minor who could be found "guilty" of sexual misconduct because they would be close to the legal age... And Mr. Steward and McClellan tried to press them on what, exactly, would be an age considered to be "responsible" (or giving consent)....?
I think that O'Brien inadvertently answered that later in his testimony. When the issue of shunning following disassociation was being discussed, he made the remark that someone who was baptized had made that commitment when they were an adult or "approaching adulthood" (the exact same phrase used in the first discussion concerning age of consent). So, O'brien said that baptism was done by those "approaching adulthood" - not yet adults but close. How close? See this thread here for boasting in the March 2017 of children getting baptized at ten years of age.
If that is the litmus test of "approaching adulthood" - the age of baptism - it isn't difficult to see where the problem lies.
The WTS promotes a distorted understanding of "child" and "adult".
When will it resume??
I think that was it. There were only the two witnesses presenting. They did that - they answered all the questions - well, sort of and not at all sometimes, badly mostly - and now we wait to see if the Commission responds. I would think that will take a bit of time for them to put together, if that is the plan.
The WT duo said the WTS has a publication about to be released - that is supposed to be out shortly. A procedural handbook for congregation members on how to handle child abuse. For Australia only
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Baptism at 10 years of age! March 2017 broadcast
by stuckinarut2 in(i wanted to put this in the child abuse section of the forum!).
we have seen that during the march 2017 broadcast, m stephen lett has openly praised children who get baptised as young as 10!.
so lets summarize why it is wrong to push child baptism (not far off "infant baptism" that jws condemn other churches for).
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stuckinarut: (I wanted to put this in the child abuse section of the forum!)
After watching the ARC hearing tonight, it certainly could belong in that section.
O'Brien claimed that anyone who got baptized was either an adult or "approaching adulthood" and so they came under shunning sanctions if they disassociated.
Obviously, baptism at 10 years of age indicates a refusal to accept the legal definition of "minor" if they think that a ten year old is "approaching adulthood".
The WTS fosters a distorted view of "child" and "adult". No wonder they have a hard time defining appropriate relationships within their congregations.
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ARC Live Streaming site ?
by Gayle inwhat is the exact live streaming site for the arc today in sydney?
i hope someone or more here will be watching and giving info/quips throughout the case.
also, will someone here or elsewhere be able to 'save' a video of this (all or part).
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OrphanCrow
That was painful.
Weird, pathetic, and predictable.
Truly painful. Like watching someone at the dentist.
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The A.R.C. broadcast on March 10. When to watch in your time zone.
by ScenicViewer inplanning on viewing or recording the live stream of the australian royal commission's investigation of watchtower on march 10, 2017?
i believe the stream begins at 10 am aedt (australian eastern daylight time); you will need to figure out when that is in your local time zone.
here is a time zone converter.
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OrphanCrow
5 pm CST March 9
The witness list has been released (thx to zeb for posting this on another thread) and there are only two witnesses who will appear:
Terrence O'Brien and Rodney Spinks.
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What is the basis for advising “Don’t pursue higher studies”?
by venus intwo elders who visited my friend last week encouraged her not to pursue higher studies.
it seems they are dishing out the same old stuff: “the end is imminent, and this is the time to do more in the service; hence don’t waste your resources on higher studies.”.
i wonder whether there was some official communiqué (something that is sent out recently like letter to the elders, or kingdom ministry article …).
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RainbowTroll: This is a very old policy that goes back decades. There is nothing new about it.
The policy is older than decades. It dates back to the days when the International Correspondence School was being established and was being promoted as a way of getting an education in the comfort of your own home. Over a hundred years ago.
Two of the textbook writers for the ICS were also writers for the Watchtower Society - Clayton J. Woodworth and George Fisher. The early format of question and answer in the WT magazine and in the Studies of the Scriptures was based on the ICS model. Studying the Watchtower material would give you a "Bible education" and qualify you to become a colporteur that could sell a program of Bible Study to others - "in the comfort of your own home". Learning a trade as opposed to a university education was promoted in the Golden Age magazine. It was a double whammy for the ICS textbook writers who also wrote for the WT.
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Finkelstein: Child sexual offenders are notorious to re-offend, that's part of the reason law authorities put them under close watchful regulation even when they are released from jail.
A religoius organization or whatever should not be a place where sexual predators can be harbored or handled indiscriminately by the organizations themselves, which at most is done so to protect the outside image of that organization.Consider too, that the org targets convicted offenders before they are even released from custody.
The JWs conduct organized visits inside the penal system and, it is quite likely that the religion becomes part of some convicts release conditions - where the elders continue those Bible Studies they started on the inside.
Apparently, from what I have read about the JWs' prison visits, the religion acts as sponge for some offenders while they are still in jail. Some prisons have active congregations that recruit and hold meetings inside. Becoming a JW provides a protective space for them upon release. Parole approved activities - hanging out with the JW congregation. In the company of those elders who studied with them before they were released from jail.
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Joachim Boldt - Two More Retractions for WT's bloodless "expert"
by OrphanCrow infrom retraction watch:.
when you have 94 retractions, what's two more?.
attention joachim boldt: the 1990s are calling, and they want their papers back.the annals of thoracic surgery has retracted two papers from the early 1990s on which boldt was the first author – bringing the retraction tally for the disgraced german anesthesiologist to 96, by our count.
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OrphanCrow
For a pdf download of a list of all Boldt's clinical trials that were under review in 2011:
Editors-in-Chief Statement Regarding Published Clinical Trials
Conducted without IRB Approval by Joachim Boldt
And a review of retractions in Jan 2013:
To study journals' responses to a request from the State Medical Association of Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany, to retract 88 articles due to ethical concerns, and to check whether the resulting retractions followed published guidelines.
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Joachim Boldt - Two More Retractions for WT's bloodless "expert"
by OrphanCrow infrom retraction watch:.
when you have 94 retractions, what's two more?.
attention joachim boldt: the 1990s are calling, and they want their papers back.the annals of thoracic surgery has retracted two papers from the early 1990s on which boldt was the first author – bringing the retraction tally for the disgraced german anesthesiologist to 96, by our count.
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BluesBrother: Householders will never have heard of Dr Boldt....
Likely not. Unless they follow the medical world's research and have stumbled across his name. It appears like Boldt has the potential to be as well known as Wakefield. Maybe someday Boldt will be linked to the anti-blooder movement in the same way Wakefiled is to the anti-vaxxers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_Boldt
In February 2011, Boldt was stripped of his title of professor at the University of Giessen for failing to teach, and the university is investigating possible charges of scientific misconduct.[6] His case was described at the time as "possibly the biggest medical research scandal since Andrew Wakefield was struck off last year for falsely claiming to have proved a link between the MMR vaccine and autism."[2]
The only place the regular JW will have heard of him will be inside the sacred word of the WT - the Awake magazine that quotes Boldt as an expert on bloodless surgery.
They will have no clue that it was Dr. Boldt's research that was pivotal in the use of hydroxyethyl starch solutions, to boost blood volume during surgery, for Jehovah's Witness patients. The regular JW only sees the selected quote but they have no idea that Boldt's research is cited many times in the HLC's Helping Hands handbook - the one that the WT publishes to promote alternatives to blood transfusions.
The regular JW won't know much about hydroxyethyl starch even though the HLC book has an entire section in it concerning its use and the risks associated with it.
I just did a quick scan of just Parts 3&4 of the Helping Hands (HLC) Blood Conservation Techniques and Perioperative Planning, the book that the HLC uses with medical professionals, and I found "5" of Boldt's studies that have been retracted:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9503219
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8678251
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11139111
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10972607
http://www.annalsthoracicsurgery.org/article/0003-4975(90)90088-N/abstract
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Joachim Boldt - Two More Retractions for WT's bloodless "expert"
by OrphanCrow infrom retraction watch:.
when you have 94 retractions, what's two more?.
attention joachim boldt: the 1990s are calling, and they want their papers back.the annals of thoracic surgery has retracted two papers from the early 1990s on which boldt was the first author – bringing the retraction tally for the disgraced german anesthesiologist to 96, by our count.
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OrphanCrow
Lee: We need to publish an article on this fellow at AJWRB, don't you agree?
Yes, I agree. I'll get working on it... :)