Knorr* - German
Franz - German
Rutherford - Scottish
* Knorr Foods sound familiar to anyone? Nathan Knorr hails from the same Knorr family in Germany who own(ed) Knorr Foods...
OrphanCrow
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Origins of Governing Body's Surnames
by Calebs Airplane inthe following is not necessarily the "nationality" of any of the governing body members... just the origin of their surnames.... losch - german.
lett - german.
sanderson - scottish.
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JW martyr on trial - what is happening in Kazakhstan?
by OrphanCrow inwhat is happening in kazakhstan?
that country that occupies a space between russia and china?.
kazakhstan is a landlocked country in central asia that shares borders with russia, china, kyrgyzstan, uzbekistan, and turkmenistan, and also adjoins a large part of the caspian sea.. kazakhstan is 70% muslim.
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darkspliver: haha - the Russian thing is kinda the exception that proves the rule
Did you watch it?
It is one of the worst propaganda pieces I have seen - mind you, I don't generally watch WTS generated material. This one was bizarre. Absurd. I actually laughed out loud in several places - a half hour comedy show, indeed.
It was clear that the org is interested in these 3 things first:
1. property
2. publicity
3. political liaisons with "important" countries
The well being of the JW brother, on trial at the very same time in Kazakhstan, was never once mentioned. The only time that Kazakhstan was brought up was when Sanderson saw Kazakhstan as a place where he could re-enter Russia after his visa expired. I wonder if Sanderson stopped off in Kazakhstan to offer comfort and encouragement to Brother Ahkmedov who was on trial there?
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JW martyr on trial - what is happening in Kazakhstan?
by OrphanCrow inwhat is happening in kazakhstan?
that country that occupies a space between russia and china?.
kazakhstan is a landlocked country in central asia that shares borders with russia, china, kyrgyzstan, uzbekistan, and turkmenistan, and also adjoins a large part of the caspian sea.. kazakhstan is 70% muslim.
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The 'news' section of the jw website is very slow
Not that slow....the broadcasting team has "The Russian Reality Show" - featuring celebrity appearances by GB members - up and running already. And that hearing started a day before Ahkmedov's hearing in Kazakhstan.
But then, it must be remembered that it was Org property at stake in Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U34scH5ylZY&feature=youtu.be
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JW martyr on trial - what is happening in Kazakhstan?
by OrphanCrow inwhat is happening in kazakhstan?
that country that occupies a space between russia and china?.
kazakhstan is a landlocked country in central asia that shares borders with russia, china, kyrgyzstan, uzbekistan, and turkmenistan, and also adjoins a large part of the caspian sea.. kazakhstan is 70% muslim.
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What is happening in Kazakhstan? That country that occupies a space between Russia and China?
Kazakhstan is a landlocked country in Central Asia that shares borders with Russia, China, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan, and also adjoins a large part of the Caspian Sea.
Kazakhstan is 70% Muslim. In spite of claiming religious freedom, human rights abuses against religious groups are common. Those of the Baptist faith have been particularly targeted in religious investigations, along with various Muslim sects and the Jehovah's Witnesses.
http://www.eurasiareview.com/17072016-kazakhstan-how-many-punished-for-exercising-religious-freedom/
In 2013, "Nearly 50 Jehovah’s Witnesses from Kazakhstan [have] joined complaints to the Human Rights Committee against fines (and deportation for foreigners) imposed for sharing their faith with others."
Besides running afoul of the restrictions on missionary and evangelizing activity, the Jehovah's Witness literature was also seen as suspect.
In the Report of the Special Rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief, submitted to the Human Rights Council United Nations, December 2014, it was stated that
...in 2012 and 2013, Jehovah’s Witnesses submitted an application for importing several religious publications, including some monthly magazines produced by their community. Reportedly, the Agency for Religious Affairs banned the importation of some of those publications. In its decision of 31 January 2013, the Agency claimed that the banned publications discouraged secular education, encouraged family break-ups and contained positions that might outrage members of traditional Christian denominations (e.g. the position that the Holy Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible). The Agency directed Jehovah’s Witnesses to modify the content of the publications and submit the modified editions for approval.
The actions of Kazakhstan authorities against the Jehovah's Witnesses (and others) has not abated since that time.
http://forum18.org/archive.php?country=29
Currently, there is a court case in Kazakhstan underway that is prosecuting a Jehovah's Witness. 61 year old Teymur Akhmedov is on trial for "discussing his faith" with others and for "inciting religious hatred or discord".
Akhmedov's co-accused was sentenced in February:
Of two Jehovah's Witnesses arrested in January in Kazakhstan's capital Astana for "inciting religious hatred or discord" for talking to National Security Committee (KNB) secret police agents about their faith, one has already been punished. Asaf Guliyev was given a five-year restricted freedom sentence on 24 February.
On March 27, 2017, at the very same time that the Jehovah's Witnesses around the world were penning letters to Russia protesting the upcoming seizure of the Administrative Center in St. Petersburg Russia, Mr. Ahkmedov was sitting in a Kazakhstan court room, relying on his lawyers to help him "defend his faith".
http://www.rferl.org/a/kazakhstan-jehovah-s-witness-hate-charges/28393870.html
Instead of things going in Akhmedov's favor, though, his preliminary trial did not go well when both of his lawyers were criminally charged for revealing information to authorities concerning material in the trial.
http://forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2269
Kazakhstan's National Security Committee (KNB) secret police has opened a criminal case against two lawyers defending a Jehovah's Witness on trial for exercising freedom of religion and belief. Vitaly Kuznetsov and Natalya Kononenko are facing criminal investigation seeking to punish them for appealing to Kazakhstan's President Nursultan Nazarbayev for the charges against their client to be dropped. Charges were brought against the lawyers even before the trial they were working on began in the capital Astana.
Rather than a global letter writing campaign, the JW lawyers were the ones who were pleading with the president of Kazakhstan on behalf of a Jehovah's Witness facing prosecution for his behavior. And they received criminal charges for doing so.
On 20 February the lawyers Kuznetsov and Kononenko sent a 23-page appeal (plus numerous attachments) to KNB Investigator Major Duszkaziyev, who led the investigation against Akhmedov and Guliyev. The appeal asked for the case against Akhmedov to be halted "because of the absence of the elements of a crime".
The lawyers argued that the "expert analyses" of the literature confiscated from Akhmedov and Guliyev should be "completely rejected as contradicting international law". They gave documentary evidence that officials and leaders of so-called "traditional" religions have made statements that are far more insulting and critical than the statements Akhmedov is accused of making.
The lawyers noted that law enforcement officials stated that the words used by officials and so-called "traditional" religious leaders were lawful.
The lawyers also sent copies of their appeal to several officials and state agencies, including President Nursultan Nazarbayev and the Foreign Ministry.On April 6th, the day after the Russian Supreme Court hearing into the Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia started, Mr. Ahkmedov's trial began in Kazakhstan. It is unclear who was representing Ahkmedov as this most recent article included the same photo of his two lawyers, and yet the caption does not name who they are. It is possible that Temyer had different lawyers at that point.
http://www.rferl.org/a/kazakhstan-jehovahs-witness-trial-/28414799.html
ASTANA -- The trial of a Jehovah's Witness charged with inciting interethnic enmity has begun in Kazakhstan's capital, Astana.
The court on April 6 began hearing the case of Teimur Akhmedov, 60, who was arrested in January for what the Committee for National Security (KNB) described as propagating ideas that "disrupt interreligious and interethnic concord" in the country.
The U.S. Embassy in Astana has sent a representative to monitor the case.
Likewise, Diana Okremova, the director of the local Media Law Center NGO, attended, as well as relatives of the defendant and local Jehovah's Witnesses.
An RFE/RL correspondent was the only journalist present at the trial, and the judge allowed her to make written notes.
Akhmedov, who is undergoing cancer treatment, pleaded not guilty at a preliminary hearing on March 27.
If convicted, Akhmedov faces up to 10 years in prison.What is happening with the criminal proceedings against the two lawyers, Vitaly Kuznetsov and Natalya Kononenko, is not known.
The outcome of Jehovah's Witness Akhmedov's trial is not known.
The JWorg website has eagerly and promptly updated the world about the Administrative Center in Russia being liquidated and the JWs there being placed under ban...but....no updates or news about the JW martyr in Kazakstan or the fate of the two JW lawyers there. -
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Reveal News Hosts a Conference About JWs and Child Sex Abuse
by Hecce inreveal news hosts a conference about jws and child sex abuse; the world is finally noticing!.
by alexandra james on april 26, 2017 • ( 9 comments ).
on april 26, 2017, in london, reveal news hosted a conference regarding the problem of jehovah’s witnesses and child sex abuse.
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What was it like being a JW in the 1960's and 1970's
by UnshackleTheChains inthis is obviously a question for the older generation.
i'm really curious what it was like to be a witness in the 60's and 70's?.
was the society as strict as it is today?.
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Diogenesister: I was but a small kid in the seventies, yet I don't remember shunning of *family* members being so harshly on the agenda.. 'Spiritual shunning' is a term that springs to mind. No discussion of spiritual matters with disfellowshiped family. DA wasn't even an issue.
Can anyone corroborate this please?I have some vague memories stirring back there about disfellowshipping...
This is the way that I remember disfellowshipping "rules" being described back in the early 60s:
The DF person was, like you said, 'spiritually' disfellowshipped. You could not discuss religion with them - and this included all DF persons, not just family. You could conduct business with them, talk to them if you encountered them (not religion!), and, in fact, it was encouraged to be pleasant and nice to a DF person. However, you were not to seek out socialization with them unduly.
But...no Bible Studies with a DF person unless they were "approved" and only done by mature men. A DF person could not comment or be involved with KH activities even though their attendance was a requirement to show repentance.
At least...that is how I remember it from when I was a kid. The rules changed and got tighter in later years.
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NEWSWEEK: After Ban, Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia Harassed by Police During Religious Services
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.newsweek.com/jehovahs-witnesses-russia-ban-police-589791.
after ban, jehovah’s witnesses in russia harassed by police during religious services.
by jason le miere on 4/25/17 at 4:48 pm .
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EdenOne: And then they will bundle the ARC conclusions with the Russian ban as if they were all part of persecution from satan-controlled authorities and claim the end is near .... what else is new in this strategy?
I am waiting to see if the WTS launches the Australian JWs into action to mount an attack on the Australian authorities for "spreading ugly lies and slander" about them.
Like they did in Russia when the courts ruled against them.
A tract campaign detailing the grievances against them and their protests to the ARC. Title it "Could It Happen Again? To the citizens of Australia" and then open it with the history of the Jehovah's Witnesses being banned in Australia during WW2.
Where is the letter writing campaign directed at Angus Stewart and Commissioner Peter McClellan? Or better yet, to the Queen of England, who set the terms of reference for the Royal Commission? They could write letters to Buckingham Palace, protesting their innocence, stressing their reputation for being law abiding, etc.
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NEWSWEEK: After Ban, Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia Harassed by Police During Religious Services
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.newsweek.com/jehovahs-witnesses-russia-ban-police-589791.
after ban, jehovah’s witnesses in russia harassed by police during religious services.
by jason le miere on 4/25/17 at 4:48 pm .
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wonder: Instead of being honest and law-abiding they fight the law and rouse the internal community against the anti-terror law and instead of being an example of obidience in quick obidience and so helping all the other evangelizing churches they attract attention to evil methods and many complicated marginal dogmas like the theocratic ministry and denial of obidience to the state by propaganda
Yes, this is what the WTS had the Russian JWs do in 2010:
The WTS launched that tract campaign in Russia immediately following the Tanarog court decision that declared the congregations in that area to be 'extremist'.
By judgment of 11 September 2009, the Rostov Regional Court granted the prosecutor’s claim, ordering the liquidation of the Taganrog LRO as an extremist organisation and the banning of its activities.
On December 8, 2009, the Tanarog congregation lost its appeal.
The WTS printed the tract in 2009. It was their response to the unfavorable ruling in Tanarog. They actively distributed their propaganda, that contradicted everything that the Tanarog ruling addressed, in response to not wanting to obey the law. They disagreed with the Russian court so they openly and aggressively used a recruiting tool to attack the court's decision.
To read what happened in Tanarog - this gives the Statement of Facts and the court's rulings in Tanarog - you won't find that anywhere on the WTS tract but they had to submit it as part of their submission to the ECHR in 2014:
Application no. 32401/10. TAGANROG
That tract campaign happened in 2010. That was followed up with other religious/political activism projects like a letter writing campaign in 2014(5?). Each time the WTS has had the JWs mount one of their "religious" campaigns in response to not being happy with Russian laws and having court rulings go against them, the Russian authorities have responded with making the laws stricter. Coincidentally, the laws have tightened in exactly the areas that the JWs insist on making their religious/political message the most annoying that they can.
Spread religious propaganda around Russia that tries to recruit members at the same time as speaking out against the State? Response: no more evangelizing allowed. For everybody.
Flood Putin's office with emails and letters? Response: anti-spam attacks laws.
The WTS deliberately provokes and uses their "army" of "pacifist soldiers" to stir up dissension as retaliation for being told that they are lawbreakers. And the JWs have been trained to go from shiny faced smiling people to being masters of harassment on a moment's notice from headquarters.
The JWs are lawbreakers. That is their job. That is what they are trained to do.
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Drug could reduce bleeding deaths of JW moms. WT Pay Attention
by Lee Elder ina new study in lancet shows a drug, tranexamic acid, could save the life of a preganant jw woman who is experiencing heaving bleeding following childbirth.
hopefully, watchtower h.i.s.
is paying attention, and gets this information out asap.
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Lee: It appears to have the potential to reduce mortality by 20%-30% in the general population who have access to the safety net of red cell transfusion. The benefit to JW mothers will be less, but now there is strong evidence to support its early use at the first sign of bleeding.
There is no doubt that this is a good thing for the general population.
Yes, this drug can now be confidently used to reduce bleeding in maternal patients.
It has been used on JW women for years - they will not see any added benefit whatsoever other than the satisfaction of knowing that other women, who do have the option of replacing lost blood, can now be treated more effectively and for less cost.
The only thing that would benefit JW women is being able to access shared blood like the rest of the population can. This "breakthrough" with tranexamic acid is meaningless to the JW women - what would be a breakthrough is if the WTS/HLC quit using pregnant women and their babies to promote these "breakthroughs".
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Drug could reduce bleeding deaths of JW moms. WT Pay Attention
by Lee Elder ina new study in lancet shows a drug, tranexamic acid, could save the life of a preganant jw woman who is experiencing heaving bleeding following childbirth.
hopefully, watchtower h.i.s.
is paying attention, and gets this information out asap.
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Lee: Hopefully, Watchtower H.I.S. is paying attention, and gets this information out asap.
Tranexamic acid has been used fairly often to reduce bleeding in JW maternal patients - they were the first it was used on. The HLC has been promoting it for many years - the 2001 "Helping Hands" manual contains studies that date in the 90s that include tranexamic acid as one of the techniques used to reduce blood loss.
Page 429 of Part 5 of Helping Hands of Blood Conservation Techniques, May 2001 lists tranexamic as a hemostatic agent.
Google Scholar lists numerous papers that have been published with JW patients and the course of treatment includes tranexamic acid.
Here is one that was published in 2010:
Tarek Samir Arab, MBChB, Ahmad Bakr Al-Wazzan, MBChB, Ken Maslow, MD FRCSC Department of Obstetrics, Gynecology and Reproductive Sciences, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg MB
Tranexamic has been around for many years (it was discovered in 1962) and the Jehovah's Witness population has been one of the first that it was used on.
By 2008, the administration of tranexamic was routinely being used for postpartum bleeding in Jehovah's Witness women. It was the HLC who promoted the use of tranexamic acid in JW women as a treatment to help with postpartum bleeding.
However, it was still unclear if tranexamic acid was effective in treating postpartum hemorrhage in the general population. So, in 2010, a world wide trial was launched:
WORLD MATERNAL ANTIFIBRINOLYTIC TRIAL
It will be the results of the WOMAN trial that will have prompted this latest news release. This is yet another feather in the WTS' cap when it comes to boasting how the Jehovah's Witnesses have improved medicine.
But we will never know how many Jehovah's Witness women died (and still die) from postpartum hemorrhage when the tranexamic acid wasn't (isn't) as effective as the best treatment for bleeding - blood itself. In the WOMAN trial, the participants still had the option to have blood when needed - the study was designed to measure blood loss reduction - it was not designed for tranexamic acid being used because blood cannot be.
Tranexamic acid helps to reduce blood loss - it doesn't replace blood.
*to add - from the article in the OP:
It has taken a long time to show that the drug does work in the context it was designed for. Professor Ian Roberts from the London School, who co-led the study, said: “The researchers who invented tranexamic acid more than 50 years ago hoped it would reduce deaths from postpartum haemorrhage, but they couldn’t persuade obstetricians at the time to conduct a trial. Now we finally have these results that we hope can help save women’s lives around the world.”
The researchers couldn't persuade obstetricians at the time to conduct a trial. No...they needed the help of the HLC to promote it first. Just think of all the JW women who helped bring that trial to realization - years and years of JW women being denied life saving blood transfusions just so this drug could be used for the general population.
This is not a boon for JW women - it is just another way that they have been used as guinea pigs for medical advancement.