Posts by OrphanCrow

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Highwood Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses v. Randy Wall

by TerryWalstrom in

http://www.scc-csc.ca/case-dossier/info/webcastview-webdiffusionvue-eng.aspx?cas=37273&id=2017%2f2017-11-02--37273&date=2017-11-02.

OrphanCrow

Smiddy3, this is a link to a Supreme Court hearing in Canada.

A news article concerning the case:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/jehovah-s-witnesses-supreme-court-jurisdiction-judgement-application-appeal-wall-1.4069481

A link to the factums of the case:

http://www.scc-csc.ca/case-dossier/info/af-ma-eng.aspx?cas=37273

The webcast of the appeal hearing (3 hours 24 minutes long):

http://www.scc-csc.ca/case-dossier/info/af-ma-eng.aspx?cas=37273

I watched the webcast yesterday and was going to make a couple comments on the other thread that is posted about this, but it appears like that thread has somehow unraveled.

I want to watch this again because there is a lot to digest and process. But, a couple things about the webcast - the lawyer representing the Highwood congregation presents the congregation in terms that diminish the perception of the congregation's importance. Near the beginning of the webcast, David Gnam lowers his voice and in humble, small soft tones, presents the congregation as "a small, unincorporated religious organization". But, the elephant standing at the podium is this: David Gnam is a lawyer for Glen How and Associates - the big gun JW lawyers who travel all over the world representing the BIG organization that the "small unincorporated religious organization" takes their orders from.

Another spot that grabbed my attention occurs at 3:03 of the webcast. What is happening at this point is that Gnam is giving the reply for the congregation where he is responding to submissions by the other lawyers. At this spot, one of the Supreme Court judges questions Gnam about the elder's handbook.

Listen to David Gnam LIE at 3:04:21 and then try to shuffle around and make excuses for the secrecy of the elder's handbook. He goes into an explanation of the baptismal process and refers to the congregant's handbook of baptism. He never does give a straight answer. I don't think he was able to win that judge over.

And then...at 3:09. This is news to me. Apparently the "judicial hearing" the "judicial committee" and the resulting judicial action of the elders of the JWs, is "not a court". It is a "pastoral meeting".

Huh. Who knew. The things you learn from the learned David Gnam, the JW lawyer.

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Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada

by poopie in

jw
friends

because he was shunned by his customers?.

OrphanCrow

JD: The case before the Canadian Supreme Court is actually whether civil courts even have the right and authority to hear cases and resolve disputes in voluntary organizations

JD, have you read the court documents and watched the video that Terry linked to?

Whether or not civil courts have that right and authority has already been established in previous cases. They do. And they have. It has already been done.

Have you not watched the video?? The lawyers specifically bring up and address points from the 1992 Lakeside Colony case.

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Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada

by poopie in

jw
friends

because he was shunned by his customers?.

OrphanCrow

Poopie, have you read the court documents and watched the video that Terry linked to?

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Does anyone have info on the guy that sued Jw in Canada

by poopie in

jw
friends

because he was shunned by his customers?.

OrphanCrow

Thanks for posting that link, Terry.

Watching it now...

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Lawyer from Canada Bethel turns whistleblower

by krismalone in

lawyer from canada watchtower branch reveals how the watchtower protects pedophiles.

he had the courage to speak up against the evil policies that protect pedophiles.

this video needs to go viral.

OrphanCrow

smiddy3: The OP video is a short excerpt from CBC's The Fifth Estate's "Spiritual Shepherds" that was originally broadcast on January 29, 2003.
OK that was now 14 years ago and this whistleblower is still hiding his identity ? in the year 2017 ?

Huh? How do you know that? How do you know he still hides his identity?

What is it that you expect from this man who has blocked out his identity 14 years ago? Would you be happier if he somehow, magically, made his identity known on a 14 year old video? And how exactly would you propose that would happen? Would he wave a wand and his face would appear on that old video? Or should he keep an eye on online content so that if and when this video pops up somewhere he can show up and say...Hey everyone! That is me! Joe Blow from Cocomo!

And besides, you (and me, and everyone else) know nothing about this man's personal life. Nothing. Nobody is in the position to judge why this man has chosen (14 years ago) to keep his identity protected.

And as far as respect and being believable goes, that is what comes from appearing on a television production such as the Fifth Estate. The tv show is respectable. The broadcaster is respectable. That is what makes this story believable.

Attacking the whistleblower for keeping his identity private is akin to shooting the messenger.

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Polish EX-JW Activism compilation video

by WTS Archive in

i'd like to show you a short video i made about exjw activism in poland.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt3qdtyxgd8.

i'm one of the people responsible for those information campaigns/protests, so you can ask me anything you like.

there's a lot i didn't show on the video because of the limited time i have for editing, i have tons of footage more.

OrphanCrow

dsp: Inadvertently? I never do anything 'inadvertently'

Cool

Fix your grammar please

"OK, if I have ~~too~~ to...."

"...actually proving the point they ~~where~~ were made in reference ~~too~~ to."

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Lawyer from Canada Bethel turns whistleblower

by krismalone in

lawyer from canada watchtower branch reveals how the watchtower protects pedophiles.

he had the courage to speak up against the evil policies that protect pedophiles.

this video needs to go viral.

OrphanCrow

The CBC's Fifth Estate is a very respectable and credible television production.

The elder/lawyer would have been checked out for validity before being included in the broadcast. As far as his anonymity goes, isn't that to be expected and isn't it also to be respected rather than rejected? Not everyone is in a position that allows them the privilege of having an identity.

Protecting the identity of whistle blowers is a fairly standard practice. And more common than not when a television expose is done on sensitive material concerning a large corporation and/or religion.

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Do you believe in god?

by freakyAL in

i used to be a staunch believer in god.

maybe its technology and science advancing so much thats got me doubting idk.

do you believe in god?

OrphanCrow

waton: OC, it is time for you to go to bed, in your time zone, and hoprfully, that is not going to add to the overpopulation problem of the planet.

In my time zone, it is time to wake up.

I must not have learned enough from "the rich people" because I have given birth to two children. There were times that it was difficult to feed them - I was the one that went hungry so maybe that was my lesson from the "rich people"

Does God like rich people better?

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Do you believe in god?

by freakyAL in

i used to be a staunch believer in god.

maybe its technology and science advancing so much thats got me doubting idk.

do you believe in god?

OrphanCrow

venus: An African poor child does not reveal anything about God; but it does reveal the thoughtless behavior of the parents who bring them into birth when they themselves do not have anything even to eat. It only reveals that they have not learned from some of the rich people...

I have tried to come up with something in reply, but I am afraid that I typed and deleted several comments before I decided that none of them were adequate.

Your thoughtlessness has rendered me speechless

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Mexico News Daily: Blood transfusion case before Supreme Court

by AndersonsInfo in

http://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/blood-transfusion-case-before-supreme-court/.

blood transfusion case before supreme court.

mother refuses transfusion on religious grounds for daughter with leukemia.

OrphanCrow

Everything considered, blood is the easy choice for a doctor, no-blood management is harder and more work. Doctors also look at what is more profitable.

Everything considered, blood is the most effective and best choice for a doctor (and for the patient). No blood management is less effective and does not work as fast or as well as blood does.