Animism
An ancient belief system - all things have life, "even the rocks will speak"
A common teaching of indigenous tribes of North America and possibly the oldest form of belief system that there is
OrphanCrow
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Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future
by slimboyfat inat one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.
this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.
what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).
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why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?
by poopie inwhat do you think there hiding?.
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And this too, fisherman:
4. A subpoena. A member may gain the legal right to inspect church records with a subpoena. Members and nonmembers alike may compel the disclosure or inspection of church records as part of a lawsuit against a church if the materials to be disclosed or inspected are relevant and not privileged. Under rules that have been adopted by most states and all federal courts, any party to a lawsuit may inspect records in the possession of another party to the lawsuit, and a party has the right, by a subpoena, to compel another party to turn over books, papers, and documents. Church leaders often are confused about their duty to comply with a subpoena that asks the church to turn over certain records as part of a lawsuit.
For example, let's say that a church is sued by a former employee who claims that she was wrongfully dismissed. The church receives a subpoena demanding that it turn over a wide range of documents pertaining to its personnel practices, employees, and finances. Does the church have to respond to such a subpoena? Does the First Amendment guaranty of religious freedom somehow insulate it from having to respond? The answer is that church records are not inherently privileged or immune from the subpoena power. Although all states consider confidential communications to be privileged when they are made to a minister acting in a professional capacity as a spiritual adviser, many courts have ruled that this privilege does not apply to church records. -
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why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?
by poopie inwhat do you think there hiding?.
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fisherman: Therefore, If a litigant can Supeona private church communications about child abuse to help his civil case, there is nothing special about that crime to somebody else that also wants church privacy files disclosed to help his case about non-child abuse, such as a prosecutor, a victim of a crime, the Federal government going after someone for tax fraud, etc
You are correct. Supposedly "private" church records can be acquired in the defense of someone's related court case.
That is why this happened:
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1969742/com-v-stewart/
We disagree with the Diocese's position that the compelled production of its archival documents violates its right to the free exercise of religion as protected by the federal and state constitutions and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, 42 U.S.C. §§ 2000bb-2000bb-4 (RFRA).[5] The government may only substantially burden the exercise of religion if it furthers a compelling governmental interest and the burden is the least restrictive means of advancing that interest. 42 U.S.C. § 2000bb-1(b). The plaintiff has the initial burden of establishing that a rule of general applicability constitutes a substantial burden on his or her free exercise of religion. Muslim v. Frame, 891 F. Supp. 226, 229 (E.D.Pa.1995). Once the plaintiff has satisfied his or her burden, the government must establish that the burden advances a compelling interest and is the least restrictive means of doing so. Id.
In this case, the Diocese argues that the release of archival documents, which are deemed confidential pursuant to canon law, violates its right to religious freedom. Specifically, the Diocese avers that Canon 489 of the Code of Canon *291 Law requires the maintenance of a separate archive for the safeguarding of confidential information and prohibits anyone, including the bishop, from removing documents from that archive and disclosing their contents. We do not doubt that the Diocese's refusal to produce documents in violation of canon law is rooted in a sincerely held religious belief. We find, however, that the burden on the Diocese's religious freedom furthers a compelling governmental interest by the least restrictive means available.
A defendant in a criminal case has a right to discover material evidence, Ritchie, and the state has a compelling interest in pursuing the truth in a criminal matter, see Port v. Heard, 764 F.2d 423 (5th Cir.1985). Although an in camera proceeding may cause a limited exposure of privileged information to the trial court, a court order limiting discovery to relevant, non-privileged documents advances this compelling governmental interest in the least restrictive way. See Scott v. Rosenberg, 702 F.2d 1263 (9th Cir.1983)(demand of church documents relating to specific individual's pledges necessary to further compelling governmental interest in preventing fraud).[6] Thus, consistent with the trial court and Superior Court, we hold that the compelled production of documents for an in camera review and the discovery of documents deemed relevant and non-privileged does not impermissibly intrude upon the Diocese's exercise of its religious beliefs and practices.
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Whatever happened to Paula Combs AKA Sue Pamela Carne?
by OrphanCrow inin may 1983, a jehovah's witness woman worked as a governess for william plunkert who worked at the us embassy in moscow.. moscow charges cia link to religious activist.
william plunkert was a cia operative during his time in moscow:.
how the cia ran a ‘billion dollar spy’ in moscow.
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Corney:
14. Soviet officials sometimes distinguished between Il’inists (Il’intsy) and what they dubbed Rutherfordists (Ruterfordisty) or Russelites (Russelisty), but in other instances they lumped them together as “Jehovists.”That could cause some confusion, I would think.
This reminds me of the German Nazis who lumped all religious dissenters under the "purple triangle" category in the camps and then later, once there was financial compensation up for grabs, the WTS claimed all those purple triangles as their own when they weren't. The purple triangle group was comprised of Catholics, SDA, Baptist, Bible Students and Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Whatever happened to Paula Combs AKA Sue Pamela Carne?
by OrphanCrow inin may 1983, a jehovah's witness woman worked as a governess for william plunkert who worked at the us embassy in moscow.. moscow charges cia link to religious activist.
william plunkert was a cia operative during his time in moscow:.
how the cia ran a ‘billion dollar spy’ in moscow.
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Thank you so much for your post, Corney. The background material is invaluable and now the events surrounding Carne/Combs make sense. I enjoyed reading the links you posted, Corney. (for anyone else who is interested, the first link to page 6 is wrong - it will take you to page 8. Just backtrack once you are there - Pamela Carne's story actually begins at the bottom of page 5)
I can see how the Jehovah's Witnesses came to be mixed up with the Il'intsy in Russia. This is very interesting history. I have heard the JWs in Russia referred to as "Jehovists" and now I know how that term came about.
Russia's history of sects and cults is fascinating. The Il'intsy are an interesting group and the confusion with JWs is understandable - they have a quirky blend of beliefs and practices that overlap the JW ways and beliefs at times but differ on others. The objection to military service is the same. Not pacifists per se, but no military allegiance to any world government.They do differ in their view of Christ - the Il'intsy are almost Gnostic and somewhat the same as the Dukhobors from Russia: the notion that each individual has "Christ" within.
Thanks again Corney
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Spirit Channeling at Wallkill's Bethel
by Marie33 inlook what an ex-bethelite has to say about the spirit channeling he saw first hand up at wallkill:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfmqnzbyrko.
now i believe rayven's story of horror at brooklyn bethel:.
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ColdSteel: Geesh, can this guy ever reach an end to a sentence? I couldn't take anymore and looked at the progress bar and it was only about a third of the way through. Can someone give us the Reader's Digest version?
Eh. I quit watching someplace after halfway.
This is one of the "apostates" whose message actually works against those who are serious about the work they do to try to expose the WT's harmful policies.
I think this guy is an attention whore who makes up videos to get clicks. Here is an example. He has another youtube posted that is titled "Millions dead because of Watchtower's false blood doctrine". That is hyperbole over the top. Who does he think he is that he can throw that kind of garbage around when they are people (like Lee and his crew at ajwrb and others) who work tirelessly at dismantling the WT's blood doctrine and nobody, nobody anywhere has come up with such an overblown and over the top number of deaths attributed to the noblood doctrine. Nobody ever. Except this idiot.
Condensed version? The star of this video claims that he was told that some of the "special" Bethelites go up and down Jacob's ladder to get messages, etc from the spirit world. (could be told in a 30 second spot...done and over. The end)
This guy must have been a really 'good', spiritual, asshole JW during his time as one. Pulling hyperbolic claims out of where the sun don't shine and then sitting back and collecting his "clicks" smugly
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knowsnothing: Marcus freaks out, fellow gives him 4 notebooks full of writings. Marcus says he's still got them but has never peered into them.
Oh. I missed that part.
What a load of shit. Why make the video but not look into these alleged 4 notebooks? Produce them. Show us. I want to see them and I want to read them. I am not a chicken shit like Marcus. Where are those notebooks??
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Interview with Zimbabwe's Minister of Tourism at JW HQ
by OrphanCrow inzimbabwe has been under the rule of a dictator since 1980. robert mugabe, the president of zimbabwe, is notorious for his ruthless ways of dealing with the problems of a post-colonial country.
his land reforms resulted in much economic hardship for the people of zimbabwe and anyone who was a white farmer in zimbabwe suffered dire consequences as a result of mugabe's land grabs post-2000.
the atrocities against the people of zimbabwe have been documented by cathy buckle and i have personally heard of the violence against those opposed to mugawbe's policies.. some comments from a 2003 article about robert mugabe:.
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Oh no.
It ain't over.
Bob and Grace are standing fast
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When the “blood fractions” was available for any pacient as an alternative treatment?
by RodrigoGuerreiro insorry if my topic question was difficult to understand (english is not my native language).
i will like to know the year when the so called “blood fractions” was available as an alternative to a whole blood transfusion.
my question is triggered by the curiosity about how long jw died or put their life at risk, refusing that type of treatment before the year 2000 (when the “new light” allowed that type of treatment).. thank you.
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Rodrigo, you may find this thread useful:
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Interview with Zimbabwe's Minister of Tourism at JW HQ
by OrphanCrow inzimbabwe has been under the rule of a dictator since 1980. robert mugabe, the president of zimbabwe, is notorious for his ruthless ways of dealing with the problems of a post-colonial country.
his land reforms resulted in much economic hardship for the people of zimbabwe and anyone who was a white farmer in zimbabwe suffered dire consequences as a result of mugabe's land grabs post-2000.
the atrocities against the people of zimbabwe have been documented by cathy buckle and i have personally heard of the violence against those opposed to mugawbe's policies.. some comments from a 2003 article about robert mugabe:.
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I notice that the video I had linked to in this thread is no longer available on youtube. It is available on the org site, tho:
https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/zimbabwe/interview-zimbabwe-minister-of-tourism/
And for the sake of posterity, this image is the Minister of Tourism posing with WT dudes in 2014:
http://www.herald.co.zw/witnessing-a-towering-faith/
Zimbabwe is undergoing a little bit of upheaval at the moment.
It appears like Ol' Bob has been dethroned. The army has taken over:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-42035981
"Outside State House, the president's office, some people staged a sit-down protest in front of a line of troops, and opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai addressed the crowd, to cheers.
The BBC's Andrew Harding in Harare says this is a watershed moment and there can be no return to power for Mr Mugabe.
Our correspondent says the situation may appear to be getting out of Zanu-PF's control and there could be a broad push to introduce a transitional government that includes the opposition."I wonder where that will leave the JWs/WTS in Zimbabwe?
Apparently, according to this article from January 2016, the WTS in Zimbabwe has been poised to get involved in Zimbabwe's education system:
http://www.herald.co.zw/jehovahs-witnesses-contribution-to-literacy/
https://www.newsday.co.zw/2016/07/witnesses-debut-zibf-exhibition/
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Whatever happened to Paula Combs AKA Sue Pamela Carne?
by OrphanCrow inin may 1983, a jehovah's witness woman worked as a governess for william plunkert who worked at the us embassy in moscow.. moscow charges cia link to religious activist.
william plunkert was a cia operative during his time in moscow:.
how the cia ran a ‘billion dollar spy’ in moscow.
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Thanks Moster
zeb: No wonder Putin shakes his head at the west.
I think most of Russia is shaking their head at the Mormon being chosen for US ambassador. Not a good choice if the goal is to foster Russian trust. If that is even possible. Probably not. Russians will never trust foreigners. Nyet to the Mormon
