Posts by OrphanCrow

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Its Knorr day the 8th of Russell today

by Lostandfound in

in the panda paradise, promisd repeatedly for decades, old bc and ad dating must go, as will months named for roman gods and such like as well of course as the days also are named from pagan origins, have th gb on earth or their now heavenly prdcessors, sorted this out so that roght after the big a we start counting years as fom am, after armaggedon, we could have a franz day, a knorr day or maybe even a lett day, and as for months, always th big guns of russell, rutherford and others such as xsplane ready to replace january, february etc.

sunday howerver as now known would have to be th most important day of the week and with a name of great significanc, step forard donate day !

maybe franz name wont be usd as, when he viewed himself as gods only channel of communication, he either misheard what j told him, or made bad notes on their conversations, hence the 1975 debacle when j whispered the date to him but franz got confused and just made up the date from a few fragments of drivel found in an old desk drawer from russells days.

OrphanCrow

Oh my goodness, Lost and Found.

That is your 666th post!!!!

Lol!

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Crises of Conscience latest, plus : a solution for reading it legally, courtesy of u/ziddina

by Diogenesister in

recently, someone who knows deborah drexler, the current copyright holder of cofc, asked her if she will consider having it published again.

her response was:.

" i will have to ask jesus"!!!!!.

OrphanCrow

elkatire: "I'll have to ask Christ" wasn't Geoffrey Jackson's ARC answer to a question they asked him?

Jesus. Ask Jesus, he said.

Huh. That must be the go-to Christian response to a question you don't want to answer. Jackson fumbled his way to this exchange when trying to defend the GB's ridiculous two-witness rule in cases of rape:

STEWART: “Now, is it not the case that had Jesus been asked about a case of sexual abuse he may have referred back to this part of Deuteronomy, and said that it is not required to have two witnesses?”

JACKSON: “Um, I certainly would like to ask Jesus that, and I can’t at the moment. I hope to in the future. Ah, but that’s a hypothetical question which, if we had an answer, then we could support what you said.”

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1975... the year that keeps on giving.

by silentbuddha in

so i recently moved back to my really really really small hometown in the south.

it was the place that my parents moved to from a major city up north in the early 1970's.

when we lived here times were very tough financially and i was always told that the reason we did not attend meetings was due to the fact that we had no car / no gas for the car / could not afford repairs for the years we were there.

OrphanCrow

Haha! SilentBuddha, you are one of the WT's Baby Boomers.

The generation of children born after the great disappointment of '75.

Add about 8-10 years and all you young'uns would account for a spike somewhere in the publisher count. You are the "growth" of the 80s and early 90s.

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When the “blood fractions” was available for any pacient as an alternative treatment?

by RodrigoGuerreiro in

sorry if my topic question was difficult to understand (english is not my native language).

i will like to know the year when the so called “blood fractions” was available as an alternative to a whole blood transfusion.

my question is triggered by the curiosity about how long jw died or put their life at risk, refusing that type of treatment before the year 2000 (when the “new light” allowed that type of treatment).. thank you.

OrphanCrow

TD: Not allowing it singled out Rh-negative women and their unborn children, which is pretty messed up.......

Yes. Pretty messed up.

Women and their babies. Two very vulnerable groups of people within the JW population.

Rhogam should have been allowed. But I suspect that the WTS was far more interested in promoting ultra violet light therapy. That is the treatment that was promoted in the 1973 "Alternatives to Blood Transfusions" which targeted the pediatric population.

And then, fast forward to the 2000s and JW women and babies were targeted for Stanate (TM) [stannsoporfin, tin-mesoporphyrin].

Compassionate Use of Stanate (TM) [Stannsoporfin]

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Panpsychism - a philosophy with a future

by slimboyfat in

at one time scientists believed that living things and non-living things were made of different material, accounting for the unique properties of living things.

this idea is called vitalism and is no longer popular.

what does remain popular (in fact is still the dominant view) is a similar idea that things that experience the world (humans, frogs, mice) are different from things that don't experience the world (potatoes, rocks, snowflakes).

OrphanCrow

Can there be a consciousness without a brain?

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When the “blood fractions” was available for any pacient as an alternative treatment?

by RodrigoGuerreiro in

sorry if my topic question was difficult to understand (english is not my native language).

i will like to know the year when the so called “blood fractions” was available as an alternative to a whole blood transfusion.

my question is triggered by the curiosity about how long jw died or put their life at risk, refusing that type of treatment before the year 2000 (when the “new light” allowed that type of treatment).. thank you.

OrphanCrow

Rodrigo: I have no idea of JWs are some of the ”guinea pigs” on some medical trials, I thought that was a big gap between the availability of the treatment and the JWs acceptance

Then you likely didn't know that the trials for a lot of "alternative" procedures, and especially artificial blood, are funded and organized by the US Department of Defense.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/287365/blood-us-army-us-navy-watchtower-society

Jehovah's Witnesses cannot don a uniform but they sure do come in handy for medical testing that benefits the military. The two groups that are most interested in artificial blood? The military and the JWs. Bedfellows in the search for the Holy Grail - artificial blood. That magic elixir that just maybe, maybe someday...will extend the life of people for...oh, maybe indefinitely? Synthetic blood. Never dies and never fails. The promise of eternal life - the promise of biotechnology

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Crises of Conscience latest, plus : a solution for reading it legally, courtesy of u/ziddina

by Diogenesister in

recently, someone who knows deborah drexler, the current copyright holder of cofc, asked her if she will consider having it published again.

her response was:.

" i will have to ask jesus"!!!!!.

OrphanCrow

It is really encouraging to hear that Jesus has found a way to release Ray's life giving book to the Russians.

Way to go Jesus!

Crisis of Conscience

I have read a few stories out of Russia where Ray's book has been credited as the tool that pried them loose from the WT grip.

Thank Jesus that Ray's book has made its way across the Big Pond

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Crises of Conscience latest, plus : a solution for reading it legally, courtesy of u/ziddina

by Diogenesister in

recently, someone who knows deborah drexler, the current copyright holder of cofc, asked her if she will consider having it published again.

her response was:.

" i will have to ask jesus"!!!!!.

OrphanCrow

" I will have to ask Jesus"!!!!!

I am more than a little annoyed at this response.

"I will have to ask Jesus"????

WTF is that??

So that means that it is Jesus' fault for the book being held up. She is blaming Jesus for the book being made as inaccessible as possible. Jesus has held the book up, according to her logic

Sheesh. And she calls herself a Christian.

Deborah, do the "Christian" thing and turn the book over to the public domain. It is already there. Make it official and legal

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Crises of Conscience latest, plus : a solution for reading it legally, courtesy of u/ziddina

by Diogenesister in

recently, someone who knows deborah drexler, the current copyright holder of cofc, asked her if she will consider having it published again.

her response was:.

" i will have to ask jesus"!!!!!.

OrphanCrow

Dio: Her response was:
" I will have to ask Jesus"!!!!!
Make of that what you will.
Personally, I think she feels it's better to have people as believers in the Watchtower, than non-believers out of the Watchtower, but that's just my take

Oh.

A Christian with misguided values is in charge of Ray's legacy.

No wonder she is grasping tightly with sweaty little hands.

She will be blessed by Jesus for not allowing the book to get in the hands of *gasp* unbelievers

Jesus will be proud of her

*edit to add:

Ray's book available in 16 languages for download: http://jw-wayback.org/en/static1/library

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When the “blood fractions” was available for any pacient as an alternative treatment?

by RodrigoGuerreiro in

sorry if my topic question was difficult to understand (english is not my native language).

i will like to know the year when the so called “blood fractions” was available as an alternative to a whole blood transfusion.

my question is triggered by the curiosity about how long jw died or put their life at risk, refusing that type of treatment before the year 2000 (when the “new light” allowed that type of treatment).. thank you.

OrphanCrow

TD: Perhaps another example would be the administration of IgG as a transfusion (i.e. An inverted 500ml bag connected to the patient by IV) which is a treatment for idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura and Kawasaki's syndrome. I could imagine some JW's having a problem with this procedure because of the method.

That is interesting, TD.

Why I find that interesting is because so-called "bloodless" surgery procedures, which the WTS promotes as "the golden standard of care" has only came about because of blood transfusion technology.

The methods used in WTS approved procedures are blood transfusions - transfusions of the patient's own blood. That has been happening since back in the 60s. It is actually pretty ironic. The WTS slams the medical community for using blood transfusions, but then turns around and promotes procedures and technology that relies on the technology developed for blood transfusions.

It is actually pretty stupid if you break it down into simple terms. Let's say that Jehovah really does hate blood transfusions. Really hates them. Doesn't want people sharing blood at all. No siree. No blood sharing down there on Earth. Don't do it humans! And so Jehovah makes sure that a faithful human transcribes his instructions in stone....to be passed down to more humans as instructions to not share blood. And don't eat it.

Then things start happening with medicine and people start to share blood for medical purposes. The birth of blood transfusion technology. Which, apparently, Jehovah really, really hated. And then that technology advanced to the point that blood transfusions were saving lives. the blood technology was working.

And what does Jehovah do next? Well, he sent a message down to Earth to Nathan Knorr and Freddie Franz that Jehovah's special people couldn't avail themselves of this life saving procedure. In 1945. At the end of WW2. BUT. Smarty pants Jehovah had a plan. Yesiree. Jehovah waited until that blood transfusion technology (bad blood transfusions. BAD!) was developed to the point that his special elite ones could avail themselves of that (bad) blood technology so that they didn't have to share their blood with anyone or use the blood of other people unless it had been sanitized first.

Smarty pants Jehovah. Sitting back in the weeds just waiting until blood transfusions were developed so that he could have his people take that technology and develop Tada! "bloodless" surgery.

Without blood transfusions, there would be no "bloodless" surgery.

*to add - I meant to talk about the JWs having problems with the method of delivery of some of the "fractions". A personal story. My sister in law was a nurse. After she retired (and after the person I am about to talk about died) she shared with me how this JW man's factor viii was administered. The hospital staff would wait until after visiting hours were over and then they would hook up his bag of clotting factor to his IV. And then they would take a towel or two to cover the bag and the tube going into his arm so he wouldn't have to see the 'blood' going in. It upset him so much to see the red clotting factors and yet he took the treatment so that he could be with his family longer. It was sad. He was one of the good ones. A very kind and nice man who had hemophilia.