Posts by OrphanCrow

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JW teen mother - San Diego 1960 - grandchild is looking for family of origin

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

http://www.gsadoptionregistry.com/california/19601964california.html.

this listing doesn't say if any contact has ever been made or if this person's search was successful.. i have a particular affinity to those who search for their families of origin.

i was 5 years old when i was told that my mother had been adopted and it took me until i was 40 to find out who my "real" grandmother was.

OrphanCrow

Another one. Ohio.

http://www.gsadoptionregistry.com/ohio/19701979ohio.html

This is a woman looking for her biological father who was a Jehovah's Witness:

Adoptee Birth Date: 11-5-1971
Adoptee Gender: Female
Adoptee Birth Race: Caucasian, German decent ?
Name given to Adoptee by Birth Parents: Annette Marie Haren
Adoptee Birth City: Cleveland, OH
Adoptee Birth County: Cuyahoga County
Adoptee Birth State: Ohio
Adoptee Birth Country: USA
Adoptee Birth Mothers Name: Eileen A. Foltz ((FOUND)) (Deceased)
Adoptee Birth Mothers Maiden Name: Eileen Agnes Haren
Adoptee Birth Mothers Race: Caucasian, German decent
Adoptee Birth Fathers Name: ?
Adoptee Birth Fathers Race: Caucasian, German, French, Irish decent ?
Adoptee Birth Hospital: St. Ann's Hospital
Adoption Agency or Attorney: Catholic Woman's League
Age of Adoptee when Adopted: 6 weeks old
Name given to Adoptee by Adoptive Parents: Christa Noel Fornsaglio
City adoption took place: Canton, OH
County adoption took place: Stark County
State adoption took place: Ohio
Country Adoption took place: USA
Adoptive Mothers Name: Donna Fornsaglio
Adoptive Mothers Maiden Name: DeSantis
Adoptive Fathers Name: Samuel Anthony Fornsaglio
Email Address: [email protected]
Searching For: Birth Father, Medical History.
All Other Information: (Update) Birth mother's date of birth: 7-6-1929 birth mother has 10 siblings, and is of German decent. Birth father was born approximately ?-?-1926, has 4 siblings, and is supposed to be of German, French, and Irish decent. Caseworker: Mrs. Barbara Rosenfield Judge Reuben Z. Wise. I was placed in Catholic Community League Foster Home on 11-8-1971. I was delivered by Dr. Mason. (Update) Birth mother was 5'3 1/2" tall, hazel eyes, wavy medium brown hair, fair to medium complexion. Looks like she graduated from high school in 1947. One of my birth mother's sister's was valedictorian of her class. Birth father was 6'1" tall, dark brown eyes, dark brown hair, medium-dark complexion, Protestant. His parents were from West Virginia and Jehovah Witnesses. (Update) My birth mother's family is German. My birth mother died on 1-28-2013. I met my biological aunts a year ago.
Date Received: 3-14-2008
Date Posted: 3-27-2008
Last Updated: 10-9-2017 & 8-22-2017 & 10-18-2011 & 3-27-2008

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JW teen mother - San Diego 1960 - grandchild is looking for family of origin

by OrphanCrow in

jw
friends

http://www.gsadoptionregistry.com/california/19601964california.html.

this listing doesn't say if any contact has ever been made or if this person's search was successful.. i have a particular affinity to those who search for their families of origin.

i was 5 years old when i was told that my mother had been adopted and it took me until i was 40 to find out who my "real" grandmother was.

OrphanCrow

http://www.gsadoptionregistry.com/california/19601964california.html

This listing doesn't say if any contact has ever been made or if this person's search was successful.

I have a particular affinity to those who search for their families of origin. I was 5 years old when I was told that my mother had been adopted and it took me until I was 40 to find out who my "real" grandmother was. I was obsessed with finding out who my ancestors were. I never stopped looking until I found them

Here is the listing that I found concerning a 17 year old JW girl who gave birth in San Diego back in 1960. Maybe the names and/or circumstances will provoke someone to help this person find their family:

Adoptee Birth Date: 2-23-1960
Adoptee Gender: Male
Adoptee Birth Race: White
Name given to Adoptee by Birth Parents: ?
Adoptee Birth City: San Diego, CA
Adoptee Birth County: San Diego County
Adoptee Birth State: California
Adoptee Birth Country: USA
Adoptee Birth Mothers Name: ?
Adoptee Birth Mothers Maiden Name: (On File)
Adoptee Birth Mothers Race: White
Adoptee Birth Fathers Name: ?
Adoptee Birth Fathers Race: White
Adoptee Birth Hospital: Doctor's Hospital
Adoption Agency or Attorney: ?
Age of Adoptee when Adopted: Given up at birth
Name given to Adoptee by Adoptive Parents: Marc Franklin Clements (Deceased)
City adoption took place: San Diego, CA
County adoption took place: San Diego County
State adoption took place: California
Country Adoption took place: USA
Adoptive Mothers Name: Gloria Clements or Gloria Hogue (This may be misspelled on birth certificate as "Hugue"?)
Adoptive Mothers Maiden Name: Hogue (This may be misspelled on birth certificate as "Hugue"?)
Adoptive Fathers Name: Wallace Clements
Email Address: [email protected]
Searching For: My Father's Birth Parents, Any Birth Family Members, Medical History.
All Other Information: My father was born in San Diego at Doctor's Hospital Point Loma, which no longer exists. This was a closed adoption that took place at the time of his birth. I believe his birth mother was 17 years old and is possibly of Swedish, Norwegian and / or French descent. She was described as looking just like my father (blue eyes and blonde hair). I believe that her mother may have been a member of the Jehovah's Witness Church of San Diego. His birth father may have been 18-22 years old ? at the time of my father's birth. He may have been at university in the area--he was "sent away" to school when my father was born. I believe his father was a well-known neurologist or cardiologist practicing in the San Diego area. They may have been German, or of German descent. (Update) My father Marc was 6'2" tall, with blue eyes and blond hair. He weighed between 175-180 lbs.
Date Received: 3-29-2015
Date Posted: 3-30-2015
Last Updated: 9-5-2015 & 4-9-2015 & 3-31-2015

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If your cat catches a mouse, . . .

by compound complex in

take it away, bleed it, give it back.. reading about the gingerbread man reminded me of this:.

how irrational the society could be was experienced by the sister-in-law of ex-bethelite william (bill) cetnar when .... at the suggestion of her veterinarian, she had a blood transfusion given to her poodle to prolong its life.

she couldn't believe bill [cetnar]when he told her that the society would say she had violated god's law.

OrphanCrow

CC: She was told that she should keep the cat under restraint and be more careful in handling it.

Well, they were sort of right about that. But they missed a good opportunity to actually present her without the correct facts that a cat eating a mouse (and it's blood) would run a risk of catching a disease or picking up a parasite.

A cat that eats mice needs regular de-worming

But, to take the position that she should restrain the cat for the purpose of obeying a dusty old biblical 'law' about human beings abstaining from animal blood is borderline lunacy. Hell, no. It is lunacy

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A Former Jehovah's Witness shares her me too story

by LisaRose in

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/12/16/a-former-jehovahs-witness-shares-her-metoo-story/.

when i was 23 years old, i started dating a (jehovah’s) witness boy and we’d go out to some dance clubs.

there was a night in particular where i had too much to drink.

OrphanCrow

xanhippie: ...despite a very vociferous poster who keeps insisting that women have an easy time of it.

Ah...it sounds like someone is proposing a pro-slavery argument based on "we treat them well and they have it so good...don't know why they are revolting"

sigh

This world will never change. Evolution has such a long way to go before we are a species of civilized beings

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You Just Can't Make This S--t Up!

by FedUpJW in

i know this is kind of trivial but i don’t want to partake in something that might have connections with something that jehovah disapproves of.

i checked the watchtower library and i didn’t find anything on gingerbread man cookies.. .

good lord...how incredibly stupid and helpless are jdubs getting?

OrphanCrow

sparky: What do you get when you cross a gingerbread man with a Smurf?
A Jehovah's Witness' worst nightmare

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You Just Can't Make This S--t Up!

by FedUpJW in

i know this is kind of trivial but i don’t want to partake in something that might have connections with something that jehovah disapproves of.

i checked the watchtower library and i didn’t find anything on gingerbread man cookies.. .

good lord...how incredibly stupid and helpless are jdubs getting?

OrphanCrow

sparrow: Those GB people have huuuuuuge red eyes!

Yeah

Blood

That's why JWs can't eat em

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You Just Can't Make This S--t Up!

by FedUpJW in

i know this is kind of trivial but i don’t want to partake in something that might have connections with something that jehovah disapproves of.

i checked the watchtower library and i didn’t find anything on gingerbread man cookies.. .

good lord...how incredibly stupid and helpless are jdubs getting?

OrphanCrow

Oh geez, Sparrow...

And...gingerbread people (cause it is wrong to be sexist)

And jus' cause:

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You Just Can't Make This S--t Up!

by FedUpJW in

i know this is kind of trivial but i don’t want to partake in something that might have connections with something that jehovah disapproves of.

i checked the watchtower library and i didn’t find anything on gingerbread man cookies.. .

good lord...how incredibly stupid and helpless are jdubs getting?

OrphanCrow

sparrowdown: Oh yeah they are concerned about gingerbread being pagan but that's only the half of it with these babies. Isn't it about time we all admit the term "ginger" bread "man" is racist and sexist.

Sokay. Got that one covered (except for the color...not sure about that - I'm thinking they need more "shades" of ginger)

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You Just Can't Make This S--t Up!

by FedUpJW in

i know this is kind of trivial but i don’t want to partake in something that might have connections with something that jehovah disapproves of.

i checked the watchtower library and i didn’t find anything on gingerbread man cookies.. .

good lord...how incredibly stupid and helpless are jdubs getting?

OrphanCrow

Fedup: And then EATING it? Why that imitates cannibalism. Also con-damned! And we all KNOW that they never even attempted to drain any "blood" from the gingerbread man before devouring it!

OMG!!! I never thought of that

Damn....I have ate the blood of a gingerbread man

Damn. I am damned. And so is that poor gingerbread man

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How many anointed have come and gone; how many remain?

by Moster in

just wondering if there is any data about how many anointed there were in say 1914, and considering most would have passed 'beyond the veil' already, are the jw's numbers adding up?

we know there are more in 2017 then there were in 2016, but just where are we in the grand total column?.

OrphanCrow

Careful: Sour Grapes, where in the world did you get this?
At the end of the first century, there were over 1,000,000 Christians.

I asked the same question to myself, Careful. Sour Grapes answered with this:

"According to the World Christian Encyclopedia (1982), it is estimated
that by A.D. 100 there were 1 million Christians in the Roman Empire
out of a population of 181 million. This means that by the end of the
first century less than 1 percent of the population (0.6% to be exact)
was Christian."

However, I was still skeptical so I did some more digging. I had found the same quote as Sour Grapes but I do know that going to the subject itself as the source for answering questions about that subject will rarely get a person the correct answer. So I looked some more. And I found this:

How many Jews became Christians in the First Century?: The failure of the Christian mission to Convert the Jews

In order to answer that question (how many Jews converted?), the author of the above essay (David C Sim) analyzes estimations of how many Christians were around in the first century in order to arrive at how many Jews would have converted. This is what he says about the number of 1st C Christians:

Most scholars of Christian origins tend to exaggerate the size and importance of the
early Christian church. This is understandable in the light of the discipline’s
intense concentration on the New Testament texts. By confining ourselves in
particular to the letters of Paul, the Gospels and Acts, it is all too easy to create
a limited and false impression of the ancient world and the place of the
Christians within it. Yet the reality is that for all of the first century the Christians
were a tiny and insignificant socio-religious movement within the Graeco-Roman
world (Hopkins 1998:195-196). Christianity did of course grow considerably in
later centuries and it eventually became the religion of the Roman empire, but
we should take care not to retroject its later size and importance into the initial
decades of its existence.

Just how small was the Christian movement in the first century is clear
from the calculations of the sociologist R Stark (1996:5-7; so too Hopkins
1998:192-193). Stark begins his analysis with a rough estimation of six million
Christians in the Roman Empire (or about ten percent of the total population) at
the start of the fourth century. He then argues, on the assumption of 1 000
Christians in the year 40 that this figure could have been reached through a
natural and consistent growth of 40 per cent per decade. What makes this a
feasible rate of growth is that it compares very favourably with the expansion of
the Mormon Church in more recent times, which has grown at a rate of 43 per
cent per decade. This method of calculating total Christian numbers in the first
century renders the following approximate results. There were 1,000 Christians
in the year 40, 1 400 Christians in 50, 1 960 Christians in 60, 2 744 Christians in
70, 3 842 Christians in 80, 5 378 Christians in 90 and 7 530 Christians at the
end of the first century.

Sims, based on the calculations of sociologist R. Stark, proposes that there were only 7,530 Christians at the end of the first century. That is significantly less than what the Christians claim. Which isn't at all surprising considering that Christians have a tendency to use hyperbole in order to amplify their own importance.