Posts by OrphanCrow

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Guardian interview with Apostasy director

by cobweb in

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friends

this is a really long article about the film apostasy and interview with the director about his story and how he came to make the film.

apostasy director: ‘it was liberating to leave the jehovah’s witnesses’.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jul/15/apostasy-director-daniel-kokotajlo-liberating-to-leave-jehovahs-witnesses-interview?cmp=share_androidapp_copy_to_clipboard.

OrphanCrow

scotsman: I’m seeing it next weekend, taking some friends to give them a taste of what the JW world is like but confess I’m feeling apprehensive about how it will leave me feeling.

I think it is great that people outside of the cult will get a glimpse inside. So many of my friends that I grew up with, of course, know about my JW background but they have no idea what it was really like growing up inside a cult. When I tell them about some things that happened, they have a hard time grasping it. I think this movie will be excellent for the general public to view. All that most people will say about the JWs is "Oh, they seem like such nice people. Always dressed nice and so polite". This movie should change the perception about what the cult really demands from its followers at the same time that it portrays JWs as real people. Real people who live inside a psychological prison that doubles as a religion.

I am not surprised at your apprehension, Scotsman. It is far too easy to relate to the actors in the film and I am not sure what kind of coping mechanisms I would have to exercise in order to watch it. Normally, watching a movie is entertainment and the subject of this film is far from entertaining or educational for me.

But...I do think this movie has the potential to educate those who have no idea about the internal lives of those who are inside this cult. For that, it is a good thing.

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Guardian interview with Apostasy director

by cobweb in

jw
friends

this is a really long article about the film apostasy and interview with the director about his story and how he came to make the film.

apostasy director: ‘it was liberating to leave the jehovah’s witnesses’.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jul/15/apostasy-director-daniel-kokotajlo-liberating-to-leave-jehovahs-witnesses-interview?cmp=share_androidapp_copy_to_clipboard.

OrphanCrow

dubstepped: ...one tiny point that they take issue with. It's a leftover disease from living in a perfectionist cult.

This.

This is something I have noticed about everything and all that is said or portrayed about the precious JW cult. Tiny, insignificant details are jumped on and made out to be a really, really big deal. It is like the person who argues that the sky isn't blue because it is cloudy that day.

So exhausting is right, dubstepped. I find the opposition to any tiny detail that doesn't fit sucks the energy from the issues at hand - it is like trying to have a discussion with a full blown addict/alcoholic. All they will focus on is that they can prove they fed a kitten once five years ago and ignore that they are falling down drunk.

It drives me crazy

And, like you said...it comes from being raised in a super controlled environment that pretends to be perfect (except when it isn't).

Arrggghhh...I still deal with the fallout from this kind of thinking - family who have left years ago but still use this kind of diversionary tactic to "prove" how right they are and how wrong you are.

The need and desire to be right all the time. As though their entire identity rests on others being wrong.

Anyway...back to the interview and movie. It is good interview and I am not sure that I want to see the movie. I have seen the trailer and it is just too real for me. It made my stomach lurch when I watched it. I left so long ago and watching this movie would put me right back into the environment that I rejected. I don't want to go there.

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What happened to Caleb and Sofia?

by Sliced in

where are the "golden children" lately?

lol .

OrphanCrow

slim: It would be neat if some apostate with skills “extended” the series to where Caleb and Sophia grew up, went to college, acquired critical thinking, and struck out on their own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr_hjzNNOLI

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What happened to Caleb and Sofia?

by Sliced in

where are the "golden children" lately?

lol .

OrphanCrow

Caleb and Sophia have been busy. They haven't had time to make an appearance.

Who do you think designed the new online bibble classes? It had to have been them - it's a perfect fit. Dick and Jane level education.

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Prince's NWT Bible on the auction block

by OrphanCrow in

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friends

https://www.tmz.com/2018/07/11/prince-auction-bible-suit-purple-rain/.

what's cooler than your copy of "purple rain" on vinyl?

try owning one of prince's personal copies on vinyl!!

OrphanCrow

https://www.tmz.com/2018/07/11/prince-auction-bible-suit-purple-rain/

What's cooler than your copy of "Purple Rain" on vinyl? Try owning one of Prince's personal copies on vinyl!!
Some 27 items previously owned by Prince are hitting the auction block -- thanks to The Purple One's old bodyguard -- and the memorabilia is expected to fetch several thousand bucks. For instance, the starting bid for the record alone is $1,500.
One of Prince's Jehovah's Witness Bibles is also in the lot, and is expected to fetch $7k. But the crown jewel of the collection has to be Prince's navy silk suit ... which has a starting bid of $10k!
The auction also includes some of his wedged shoes, cuff links, an ear cuff, a pair of sunglasses and a bunch of Prince's old backstage passes.
Heritage Auctions is behind the online auction ... and bids close July 21.

A closer look at the famed bibble:

Get yer bids in!

*pssst....I know where you can get a "free" copy of the NWT - the only thing it will cost you is your entire circle of family and friends. And a "small" contribution to the org. And maybe your life if you happen to bleed too much

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Why didn't I leave back then???

by silentbuddha in

sunday my old bethel roommate came up to visit me.

he left a couple years ago and he wanted to catch up and reminisce.. while we sat back remembering crazy things we saw take place at bethel he reminded me of a creepy instance with bro.

swingell.. it was a saturday morning and we decided to actually go get breakfast.

OrphanCrow

Jambo: have you seen this latest crowd of GB members?
A bunch of utterly crazy old bastards. Like, really, sinister, crazy.

Oh yeah

Are there any left from "The Children of The King" 1941 generation? Consider Swingle as an (over)lapping old bastard. He was there when those children were talked into making a pledge of allegiance to the Wt's. And how many of them were around for 75?

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Youtube videos doing the JW rounds. Gods name

by pleaseresearch in

so here in the uk this video is getting jws very excited.

now my mum actualy said it wa funny to hear jw music at the start and finish.

so i'm wondering if the watchtower had any input into this.

OrphanCrow

Of course the film has Watchtower connections.

https://reachouttrust.org/name-of-god/

Saying that the film isn't a Watchtower production is like saying a leopard isn't a cat.

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Why didn't I leave back then???

by silentbuddha in

sunday my old bethel roommate came up to visit me.

he left a couple years ago and he wanted to catch up and reminisce.. while we sat back remembering crazy things we saw take place at bethel he reminded me of a creepy instance with bro.

swingell.. it was a saturday morning and we decided to actually go get breakfast.

OrphanCrow

silentbuddha: So OrphanCrow how long were you a Jehovah's Witness... just wondering

Born and raised a JW

Left at the very first opportunity (age 13 going on 14) a few years before before Armageddon happened in 75

Been inside a KH twice since then - once when my JW sis married and once when my JW granny was buried

Family members who are still JW

*Nathan...I watch out for drivers just like you. They haven't got me yet

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Cain - where's the critical thinking skills?

by jws in

just read a post on facebook where somebody is making some wild crazy-talk about the descendants of cain being the beast of revelation or something.. cain was always a strange tale to me.

don't people use any critical thinking skills when they read this stuff?

everybody knows cain killed his brother abel, but do they ever look at the surrounding tale?.

OrphanCrow

jws: At this point, the population is what? Hundreds at the most...

Where did those "hundreds" of people come from? At "that point"? What point is that?

Weren't Cain and Abel Adam and Eve's first kids?

And, who did Cain marry? In the land east of Eden...the land of Nod.

Who are all those strangers that God was protecting Cain from?? Where did they come from?

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Why didn't I leave back then???

by silentbuddha in

sunday my old bethel roommate came up to visit me.

he left a couple years ago and he wanted to catch up and reminisce.. while we sat back remembering crazy things we saw take place at bethel he reminded me of a creepy instance with bro.

swingell.. it was a saturday morning and we decided to actually go get breakfast.

OrphanCrow

wakanda: I think when we reminisce we can get back into the mindset we had at the time, i.e. being 19. Silent could have been thinking about the situation from a non-indoctrinated 19 year old point of view, but still 19. Also, drag comedy is seen a lot in society, and we are sort of indoctrinated to laugh at it. ???

I think that JWs in general are indoctrinated to laugh at things that are "different". I have experienced JW in-laws that have laughed very inappropriately at other people who have had unfortunate circumstances. Their funny bones are attached to their asses. As far as drag comedy in "society" goes...that again is a JW funny bone instead of an understanding of what drag comedy is. Oftentimes, JW humor (that I have encountered) is of the derisive sort. Slapstick humor at best.

I would think that a young Bethelite encountering a doddery old fool at the helm of an organization that has promised them that they "wouldn't grow old in this system of things" would have a rude awakening instead of finding it funny. But no. Instead, those same young'uns just substitute themselves into that promise and believe even more deeply in their own infallibility and eliteness. "Not me! I am young. Of course I will be the generation that escapes old age and death!"

Overlapping generations indeed. (I always think of dogs with their tongues hanging out, lapping up water, when I hear that phrase)