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  Salesmen working on commission (i.e. colporteurs, Pastor Russell's business)

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  "despite the millions of books and magazines sold by charles taze russell and his tower publishing company, and the hundreds of thousands of tracts and other literature distributed free by zwtts between the mid-1870s and 1900, only around 2600 persons bothered attending the watch tower society's local memorial celebrations in 1899. a significant percentage of those 2600 persons were russell's "colporteurs", who earned their livings selling russell's literature for a profit.

  charles taze russell was absolutely correct when he proclaimed for decades that zwtts was not a religion -- it was a business.

  "_____"zion's watch tower magazine was not owned by zion's watch tower tract society, but rather was a "for-profit" business owned personally by charles taze russell and his tower publishing company, and that the "growing debt" which was "burdening" the work of zwtts was owed to charles taze russell, himself.

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  OrphanCrow

  Well that's strange. Ignore what I said Terry. I have access on a different device
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  Salesmen working on commission (i.e. colporteurs, Pastor Russell's business)

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "despite the millions of books and magazines sold by charles taze russell and his tower publishing company, and the hundreds of thousands of tracts and other literature distributed free by zwtts between the mid-1870s and 1900, only around 2600 persons bothered attending the watch tower society's local memorial celebrations in 1899. a significant percentage of those 2600 persons were russell's "colporteurs", who earned their livings selling russell's literature for a profit.

  charles taze russell was absolutely correct when he proclaimed for decades that zwtts was not a religion -- it was a business.

  "_____"zion's watch tower magazine was not owned by zion's watch tower tract society, but rather was a "for-profit" business owned personally by charles taze russell and his tower publishing company, and that the "growing debt" which was "burdening" the work of zwtts was owed to charles taze russell, himself.

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  OrphanCrow

  Does that link work for you, Terry? I haven't been able to access it for some time.

  The other bravehost site, though, does work for me:

  http://jwemployees.bravehost.com/
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  Do you know who wrote ...

  by vienne in

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  do you know who wrote the 1959 watchtower book jehovah's witnesses in the divine purpose?

  anyone?.

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  smiddy: was it Marley Cole or Macmillan in his book that gave the impression he was not a witness when actually he was.?

  It was Marley Cole.

  Cole was presented simply as a journalist - no mention of him being a JW. His first book Jehovah's Witnesses The New World Society was actually a collaboration between him and Knorr. Cole had moderate success (published by a vanity publisher after no other publisher would take it) with his first book but his second book, Triumphant Kingdom, hardly made a hiccup. Likely because his first book was promoted by the WTS and the second one wasn't.
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  Leaders or liars

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  i was a thriving regular pioneer, doing all thr things wholeheartedly, had 16 bible studies, 7 attending meetings regularly, 11 magazine routes and 100's of rv's.

  you can imagine i was always runnin out of literature and always a good list of books to order every month.

  (not bragging,just stating facts.all this is wasted anyway).

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  Zindagi: ....They wanted to keep all privileges in the family so even if there is any votes amongst the cong or BOE for anything,the BIG GUN could always have his way.

  Little people with a little bit of power are some of the most nasty and dangerous people you will meet
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  All the culty name that were used instead of JWs

  by kairos in

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  the truththe society.

  the friends...you remember.

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  OrphanCrow

  My mother showed her age the last time I talked to her - she used the term "the brethren"
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  Faders Needing a Great One Liner

  by Solzhenitsyn in

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  so our family fade is well under way.

  we changed congregations as regular attenders and left in good standing with those giving hugs and kisses simply knowing we "needed a change".

  we moved to a neighboring congregation that is out of our original region knowing we would see no one and the two boe's wouldn't really have immediate dealings.

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  Tell them that you are having a wee bit of financial difficulty and by the way..."can you help us out?"

  They will run away so fast you won't even see the dust

  If that doesn't work...a casual mention of recent quarantine might..."yeah...can't get much done when the wifey and kids had a highly communicable disease...not sure if it is safe yet"

  Sorry, can't help with your goal of making them think. That could be an impossible task
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  Serious Problems Between Elders

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ever encountered or eyewitnessed problems escalating, arguements and rows between elders right at the kh anyone?.

  one such experience was just before the meeting was about to start,we heard raised voices from the second room between two elders.

  a minute later two other elders went into the room and we could all hear that they were trying to cool the situation down with whatever was going on in there.

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  Amelia: ...they committed fraud while living in Spain.

  You might find their names on this page:

  http://jwemployees.bravehost.com/NewsReports/2054.html

  
  
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  Blood Components Hypocrsy

  by pandorasbox1914 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  we all know the watchtower's stance on blood:.

  blood components, plasma, red cells, white cells and platelets-no.

  fractions-your bible trained conscience.

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  OrphanCrow

  Rattigan, where are you getting your information from?
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  Serious Problems Between Elders

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ever encountered or eyewitnessed problems escalating, arguements and rows between elders right at the kh anyone?.

  one such experience was just before the meeting was about to start,we heard raised voices from the second room between two elders.

  a minute later two other elders went into the room and we could all hear that they were trying to cool the situation down with whatever was going on in there.

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  OrphanCrow

  Giordano: I've sat on a number of voluntary boards usually for the communities I've lived in and or worked for. Because we are volunteers we are encouraged to speak our minds...... share our experience and contribute to the greater good.
  The same ego's emerged, the wanna be's, the unenlightened, the ignorant most often concerned with petty issues.
  Sometimes it's frustrating.....but most times it works out and good things emerge.

  Me too. I have sat on a lot of boards in the past. However, none of the board meetings ended up with swinging fists, shouting, or loud prayers being said to silence dissenters. None of the board meetings that I have been involved with came even close to what has been described here. Mind you, most meetings had clear rules on behavior - Roberts Rules of Order prevailed. Always.

  When I was a JW before the elder arrangement we depended on a Presiding Minister, the Assn't Presiding minister and a third person who, if I remember correctly. was the Bible Study Servant who also conducted the Sunday Watchtower study.

  I was around when that system was in place. It seemed like the presiding minister was always the JW male who gave the most $$$ to "the Society". Every congregation around was set up like that. The big poobah was the most wealthy.

  I left on the cusp of the elder arrangement being implemented. It was so weird - up until that time the lack of elders was bragged about - only "christendom" had such an archaic set-up. The JWs were so proud of being different. Sort of along the same lines of..."oh, but we are not a religion! we are just people who join together to study the bibble"
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  Have you seen these drawings against medical procedures?

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  these come from the golden age of june 8, 1932:.

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  dropoffyourkeylee: The blood doctrine came out of the same minds that placed those images in the Golden Age.

  You are absolutely right, dropoff. The blood doctrine is based on a phobia, not a bibblical doctrine. A phobia of contamination, not based on rational thought. An inherent bias towards the "unclean". A striving towards perfection. By a group of people who believed they were the elite - the chosen ones of God.

  vidiot: Orphancrow's done a bit of digging, and has found hints of racism in the prohibition's origins, too...
  ...i.e. some of the old-school WT rule-writers were uncomfy about the possibility of getting transfused with "negro" or "oriental" blood.
  Shocker, I know.
  

  Oh. Okay...can't remember the reference for that one, but probably correct. I do know that in the early days of blood transfusions there were a lot of erroneous beliefs around the practice. Especially considering the political /religious ideologies prevalent in the 30s/40s, at a time that blood transfusion technology grew in leaps and bounds in certain cultures. And in other cultures, phobias and bias held them back, developing "alternative" practices instead. Anything to avoid contamination of the blood. The WTS' ideology of elitism embraced the blood phobia position - don't contaminate those who have "special blood"!