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  Sickle Cell Case

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the sad reality for jehovah's witness children who must depend upon the courts to get critical medical care their parents reject for them, even when their lives depend upon it.

  to support the irrational blood policy of the watchtower society.

  https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-12-05-three-jehovahs-witness-families-taken-to-court-to-save-childrens-lives/.

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  Another article, by a different journalist, pertaining to the same three children:

  https://www.iol.co.za/mercury/news/parents-fight-kids-blood-transfusions-18404847
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  Sickle Cell Case

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the sad reality for jehovah's witness children who must depend upon the courts to get critical medical care their parents reject for them, even when their lives depend upon it.

  to support the irrational blood policy of the watchtower society.

  https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-12-05-three-jehovahs-witness-families-taken-to-court-to-save-childrens-lives/.

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  Smiddy, I know that you want to do something about JW children not getting blood transfusions.

  Here is a suggestion. See if you can find a way to contact the author of the article in the OP. I did some digging around but only found her twitter account. She has written more than one article about these cases.

  https://twitter.com/NivashniNair/status/1070285344367673345

  I think it could be beneficial to put the above document "How Parents Can Protect Their Children From Misuse of Blood", into the public eye. From the blurb at the top of the document, it has the appearance of being only internal:

  Elders may make a copy of this document for their personal use. However, no copies should be made for anyone else.

  The journalist might be interested in seeing how the blood policy is controlled from the top down.
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  Sickle Cell Case

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the sad reality for jehovah's witness children who must depend upon the courts to get critical medical care their parents reject for them, even when their lives depend upon it.

  to support the irrational blood policy of the watchtower society.

  https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-12-05-three-jehovahs-witness-families-taken-to-court-to-save-childrens-lives/.

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  smiddy: Isn`t that an indictment on us as ex JW`s that we have become complacent about this issue simply because its not news anymore because its been going on for so long ?

  I don't know. I think it is more a statement on the effectiveness of the org's blood propaganda machine.

  Seventy years of relentless hammering at the medical profession and the legal profession by an organization that has their own agenda to push has made the JW blood refusal just another part of medical culture. Don't forget that the org has been proselytizing to doctors since the 50s, keeping detailed records on doctors in much the same way that the sheep keep records on their house to house work. The HLC are important special pioneers. And they have done their job well - they have established a bloodless cult that hides behind the skirts of the mama cult. The tentacles run long and deep right around the world.

  It is this ruling, Prince vs Massachusetts, that needs to be enforced:

  “Parents may be free to become martyrs themselves. But it does not follow that they are free, in identical circumstances, to make martyrs of their children...”

  The org has no intention of abiding by that ruling - they never have and they never will. For a sample of how they prepare children for being blood martyrs, this is the document that elders receive - "How Parents Can Protect Their Children From Misuse of Blood":

  https://faithleaks.org/wiki/documents/9/97/S-55-E_10.pdf

  That document is disgusting. I get ill when I read it. It tells elders how to instruct parents on how to instruct their children about how to turn themselves into an individual with a rare blood disorder. A blood disorder that they weren't born with - they acquire it by following these directions. Directions on how to martyr children. Turn them into subjects with a blood disorder - a blood disorder that is dependent upon what the org tells them is wrong with them and what part of blood they are allowed to take.

  This document should be illegal. But it isn't. Cause freedom of religion and patient's rights and...blah, blah, blah... It is a horrible document full of loaded language and persuasive terms rather than reason. They call it "reason" but it is anything but - you know the story of the tuna fish sandwich and the skunk...

  The org should have a black box warning attached to it - "joining this cult will require a commitment to die for it" and this one too - "not to be administered to children under 18"
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  Sickle Cell Case

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  the sad reality for jehovah's witness children who must depend upon the courts to get critical medical care their parents reject for them, even when their lives depend upon it.

  to support the irrational blood policy of the watchtower society.

  https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-12-05-three-jehovahs-witness-families-taken-to-court-to-save-childrens-lives/.

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  Lee: This topic just doesn't seem to get anywhere near the attention you'd think it would.

  This topic has been going on for so long that it isn't "news" anymore. Just another kid(s) not getting blood when they need it.

  The first court case involving a JW child being denied blood happened in 1951. The number of court cases involving JW children since that time is astronomical - it has never stopped.

  There are pages and pages of court cases, involving children and blood, listed on this site: https://jwdivorces.bravehost.com/

  And a good article concerning children and blood refusal: https://adc.bmj.com/content/90/7/715#ref-13

  It is sad that this ruling, in Prince vs Massachusetts 1944, hasn't been held as a standard by the WTS:

  “Parents may be free to become martyrs themselves. But it does not follow that they are free, in identical circumstances, to make martyrs of their children...”

  The WTS/org has always just ignored that ruling. They don't care. They don't care about children - they advocate child sacrifice. Barbaric.

  I noticed that this article concerns Africa. And sickle cell disease. Africa, where the org is claiming "growth", has a high incidence of sickle cell disease. It is horrifying to think of how many more articles we are going to read about children needing a blood transfusion to alleviate their excruciating pain and the JW parents refusing. This isn't the same as a person maybe requiring blood during a surgical procedure - these children will suffer unbearably without blood - daily. Until they die. In pain. Horrible pain.

  Whenever I hear of yet another child not getting a blood transfusion when they need it, I always think of this image - from that old Paradise book

  
  

  
  
  
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  Salesmen working on commission (i.e. colporteurs, Pastor Russell's business)

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "despite the millions of books and magazines sold by charles taze russell and his tower publishing company, and the hundreds of thousands of tracts and other literature distributed free by zwtts between the mid-1870s and 1900, only around 2600 persons bothered attending the watch tower society's local memorial celebrations in 1899. a significant percentage of those 2600 persons were russell's "colporteurs", who earned their livings selling russell's literature for a profit.

  charles taze russell was absolutely correct when he proclaimed for decades that zwtts was not a religion -- it was a business.

  "_____"zion's watch tower magazine was not owned by zion's watch tower tract society, but rather was a "for-profit" business owned personally by charles taze russell and his tower publishing company, and that the "growing debt" which was "burdening" the work of zwtts was owed to charles taze russell, himself.

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  Well that's strange. Ignore what I said Terry. I have access on a different device
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  Salesmen working on commission (i.e. colporteurs, Pastor Russell's business)

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "despite the millions of books and magazines sold by charles taze russell and his tower publishing company, and the hundreds of thousands of tracts and other literature distributed free by zwtts between the mid-1870s and 1900, only around 2600 persons bothered attending the watch tower society's local memorial celebrations in 1899. a significant percentage of those 2600 persons were russell's "colporteurs", who earned their livings selling russell's literature for a profit.

  charles taze russell was absolutely correct when he proclaimed for decades that zwtts was not a religion -- it was a business.

  "_____"zion's watch tower magazine was not owned by zion's watch tower tract society, but rather was a "for-profit" business owned personally by charles taze russell and his tower publishing company, and that the "growing debt" which was "burdening" the work of zwtts was owed to charles taze russell, himself.

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  Does that link work for you, Terry? I haven't been able to access it for some time.

  The other bravehost site, though, does work for me:

  http://jwemployees.bravehost.com/
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  Do you know who wrote ...

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do you know who wrote the 1959 watchtower book jehovah's witnesses in the divine purpose?

  anyone?.

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  smiddy: was it Marley Cole or Macmillan in his book that gave the impression he was not a witness when actually he was.?

  It was Marley Cole.

  Cole was presented simply as a journalist - no mention of him being a JW. His first book Jehovah's Witnesses The New World Society was actually a collaboration between him and Knorr. Cole had moderate success (published by a vanity publisher after no other publisher would take it) with his first book but his second book, Triumphant Kingdom, hardly made a hiccup. Likely because his first book was promoted by the WTS and the second one wasn't.
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  Leaders or liars

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was a thriving regular pioneer, doing all thr things wholeheartedly, had 16 bible studies, 7 attending meetings regularly, 11 magazine routes and 100's of rv's.

  you can imagine i was always runnin out of literature and always a good list of books to order every month.

  (not bragging,just stating facts.all this is wasted anyway).

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  Zindagi: ....They wanted to keep all privileges in the family so even if there is any votes amongst the cong or BOE for anything,the BIG GUN could always have his way.

  Little people with a little bit of power are some of the most nasty and dangerous people you will meet
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  All the culty name that were used instead of JWs

  by kairos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the truththe society.

  the friends...you remember.

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  My mother showed her age the last time I talked to her - she used the term "the brethren"
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  Faders Needing a Great One Liner

  by Solzhenitsyn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so our family fade is well under way.

  we changed congregations as regular attenders and left in good standing with those giving hugs and kisses simply knowing we "needed a change".

  we moved to a neighboring congregation that is out of our original region knowing we would see no one and the two boe's wouldn't really have immediate dealings.

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  Tell them that you are having a wee bit of financial difficulty and by the way..."can you help us out?"

  They will run away so fast you won't even see the dust

  If that doesn't work...a casual mention of recent quarantine might..."yeah...can't get much done when the wifey and kids had a highly communicable disease...not sure if it is safe yet"

  Sorry, can't help with your goal of making them think. That could be an impossible task