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  All Watchtower Brooklyn sales in 37 NYC doc pages + spreadsheet

  by Corney in

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  i have compiled 32 real property transfer reports (“reports”) and 5 recording and endorsement cover pages (“cover pages”) that are ny city public records and available online on a836-acris.nyc.gov site.

  37 pages, 38 properties, $2.2bn, one society... enjoy: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ryaj_4ihgs1uoyeptkbzdbmw9rd12dmf/view?usp=sharing.

  see also spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1acdsqfusm5mi2zatfn87ksxmvrdzh0wfxg9nlomdszw/edit?usp=sharing.

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  Jeff: I 'd be surprised if there are any big

  stories in the buyers, for them it's just a another transaction

  Why?

  That is an assumption

  We don't know that

  We don't know who the buyers are
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  Paradise Lost

  by galaxy7 in

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  does anyone remember the book paradise lost to paradise regained?

  i was made to study the scary parts evertime i misbehaved which must have been all the time as the book imprinted into my brain.all i wanted in life as a child was to join the girl guides go hang out at the ywca with my friends and take part in sports day at school.so my mother asked the then congregation servant if i was demonized,they decided i would be fertalizer for my mothers pear tree.

  anyway i grew up fairly normal,took me ages not to be afraid of lightning.had children who never entered a kingdom hall.most of my family served in some capacity at bethel so they dont talk to me.since then i have been a searcher looking for somthing to fill the void.has anyone found anything??

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  Holden: I never got to read it

  Here ya go:

  https://faithleaks.org/wiki/index.php?title=File:1958_plr-E.pdf

  It's a WT classic

  Enjoy
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  All Watchtower Brooklyn sales in 37 NYC doc pages + spreadsheet

  by Corney in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have compiled 32 real property transfer reports (“reports”) and 5 recording and endorsement cover pages (“cover pages”) that are ny city public records and available online on a836-acris.nyc.gov site.

  37 pages, 38 properties, $2.2bn, one society... enjoy: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ryaj_4ihgs1uoyeptkbzdbmw9rd12dmf/view?usp=sharing.

  see also spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1acdsqfusm5mi2zatfn87ksxmvrdzh0wfxg9nlomdszw/edit?usp=sharing.

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  Has anyone investigated who the buyers were/are?

  Some of the buyers listed are really vague. Some are foreign and they seem to be set up specifically for a single purchase on a single property.

  The money trail goes both ways. Who is next in line on the profit train?
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  Naked JW;s - the saga continues

  by Moster in

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  naked and not alone.

  https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nfl/people-involved-in-naked-kidnapping-have-disorder-court/ar-bbreoq7?ocid=calheader.

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  Confused and angry - yes.

  The quack notions of animal magnetism is deeply rooted in WT lore. For all we know, the Abrams electric box is still in use by the Muppets at the top.
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  Naked JW;s - the saga continues

  by Moster in

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  naked and not alone.

  https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nfl/people-involved-in-naked-kidnapping-have-disorder-court/ar-bbreoq7?ocid=calheader.

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  Gio: I think they got off lightly.

  Probably. However, this part of their sentence could be excruciatingly painful for them:

  The family members will also have to attend counselling to teach them critical thinking and reasoning skills.

  Whoever is so unlucky as to draw this family as part of their counselling session is going to have quite the job on their hands. Their counselor deserves extra pay.
  
  
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  Watchtower sells parking lot for $91 million

  by dozy in

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  the liquidation of brooklyn land & properties nears completion.. https://therealdeal.com/2018/12/19/heres-how-much-fortis-paid-for-its-jehovahs-witnesses-site/.

  also announced on jw.org but no mention of the selling price , surprisingly  ;-).

  https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/united-states/one-york-street-sold-20181213/.

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  tiki: Where really does all the money go....

  It goes to Jehobah. He is storing up treasures in heaven...
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  Naked JW;s - the saga continues

  by Moster in

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  naked and not alone.

  https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nfl/people-involved-in-naked-kidnapping-have-disorder-court/ar-bbreoq7?ocid=calheader.

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  tiki: Poor lost souls....looking for a magical release from human realities....and obviously poor coping skills...why they were attracted to a bizarre religion and quacky "health" pursuits......

  The JWs live inside a fictionalized world. What they did in this situation made perfect sense to them - they embraced their fiction and acted it out.

  We all have that ability - the ability to suspend our disbelief. We all do it - whenever we engage in watching a movie, reading a novel, etc. However, it isn't healthy to not know the difference between fantasy and fact.

  This group of people engaged in unhealthy mental gymnastics. They suspended their disbelief to the extreme. By adding a physical deprivation to an already potent mix - religious belief and quack medical belief (both pseudo concepts) - it allowed them to enter wholly into the fantastical world.

  They mixed their "drugs". Religion and quack medicine. A dangerous mix.

  *to add - The judge should have put them all on three meals a day. Fasting alone can bring on a delusional state. Ask any good pagan about the need to "ground" with food and fluids after engaging in ritual!
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  Naked JW;s - the saga continues

  by Moster in

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  naked and not alone.

  https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nfl/people-involved-in-naked-kidnapping-have-disorder-court/ar-bbreoq7?ocid=calheader.

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  Thanks for posting that article, Moster.

  When this story broke, it circled the world on the assumption that the players involved were high on drugs. Which wasn't true at all - it just made for a good story and people ran with it.

  Now we "get the goods".

  It wasn't drugs. It was an alternative "medical" practice that induced a shared psychosis. Applied kinesiology - a pseudo scientific practice that requires a high degree of belief in order for the participants to engage in it. And...the participants also didn't eat while they were engaging in their "muscle testing". So....take a group of people who are highly suggestible (as most JWs are - they have the ability to put aside reason when it is convenient for their belief system), engage in applied kinesiology, reduce their food intake...and voila! - Armageddon is here!!!

  The sentencing is interesting:

  https://www.thestar.com/edmonton/2018/12/20/naked-kidnappers-who-thought-the-rapture-had-come-will-be-sentenced-in-leduc.html
  

  While the kidnapping could have netted each of the accused up to 10 years behind bars, Schaffter accepted a joint submission of a one-year sentence to be served in the community — starting with six months of house arrest — followed by two years of parole, understanding that the family posed no real continued threat to their community.
  As part of their conditions, the family is barred from taking part in various forms of alternative medicine, including applied kinesiology.
  Applied kinesiology, otherwise known as muscle testing, is a pseudo-scientific alternative medicinal practice where practitioners diagnose and treat their clients based on testing muscles for strength and weakness.
  The family members will also have to attend counselling to teach them critical thinking and reasoning skills.
  While court psychologists believed it was this mental cocktail of pseudo-science mixed with their religious beliefs that created the delusion behind their crimes, Schaffter acknowledged that many questions around their “bizarre” actions will likely remain unanswered.

  The family members will also have to attend counselling to teach them critical thinking and reasoning skills.

  Huh. Six months of house arrest. Guess they will have to get their time in by doing online witnessing or something like that.
  
  
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  Connections between Christadelphians and Russell´s Biblestudents

  by oppostate in

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  the bible students and the christadelphians have a lot in common.. i searched on facebook... .

  and look what i found:https://www.facebook.com/christadelphianbiblestudents/.

  there´s even a group named like that..

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  Phizzy: " Why did Jesus not choose the Christadelphians as the Faithful and Discreet Slave at the time ???? "

  'Cause Joe submitted a better business plan. He bought printing presses and Jesus said "Blessed is he who can print 'the word' ."
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  Mo Money ... $$$

  by loneranger in

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  the money grab continues!!

  at a very recent circuit assembly (usa), the accounts overseer gave the typical accounts report for the ca in the early afternoon.

  there were 2100 people at the assembly.

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  truthlover: about 75 pubs and EVERY month there is no less than $1500.00 - %1700.00 going to that arrangement

  No wonder the org sticks it to the convention attendees if contributions at the congregation level are that low.

  Based on your figures, each pub is only giving 20 dollars a month - a measly figure, especially if you compute donations as 10 percent of income (normal tithing amount).

  Is the total amount of monthly donations higher than you state? Money going to a local maintenance fund or something? Utilities, etc?