Posts by OrphanCrow

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Violation of the data protection law in Spain. GDPR

by Blade R in

according to the resolution of the data protection agency, the information was used for other purposes than those authorized.. the data protection agency has imposed a fine of 10,000 euros to jehovah's witnesses for collecting data from doctors and patients without prior authorization.. the religious institution has a hospital liaison committee (ceh) in each province that visits the hospitals to find out the degree of collaboration of the medical staff according to the beliefs of the jehovah's witnesses, "which is only realization of surgeries without transfusions ", is included in the resolution of the agency to which medical drafting has had access.. when compiling these data, as demonstrated by the resolution, the members of the committees overreached their duties, gathering information without requesting the relevant permission stipulated by law.

the jehovah's witnesses have filed an appeal after the ruling but it has not been accepted.. without consent.

in the document, the existence of data that have been "stored and conserved, and imply the processing of data without consent that is imputed, estimating that they are part of a file, are related as rights basics".

OrphanCrow

smiddy: I just wonder if this could apply in other countries and if penalties would apply there also ?

That is a good question.

The WT/org has been collecting data on medical professionals for decades. Their medical "ministry" is very active - they retain comments, notes, and other details on all the doctors that they "call on". Just like the house to house ministry except what they are recording are doctors' views on blood transfusions.

I would think that this violates more than just Spain's laws on data collection and retention. If more countries came down on this activity, it would sure put a monkey wrench in the WT/org's "special ministry" directed at medical professionals. Blood proselytizing would be curtailed. As it should be.

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Could/should JW Lawyer be punished for deceiving the Judge?

by The Fall Guy in

in an attempt to disparage a faded jw and to obtain their personal details, he deceptively partially quoted a statement from the jw.borg web site to the new york judge when he wrote, .

"disfellowshipping does not cause family relationships to be permanently lost: "the religious ties he had with his family change, but blood ties remain.

the marriage relationship and normal family affections and dealings continue.

OrphanCrow

Stephane: Word games, word games, word games! By family, he meant, those living under the same roof...

Yes, word games indeed. And he forgot to mention all those young people who have been kicked out of their "same roof" once they were df. So many don't get the privledge of living at home once they "stumble".

And, he failed to bring up that if a JW is found to be talking to, eating with, or generally "associating with" a df one, that they too will be disfellowshipped.

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Could/should JW Lawyer be punished for deceiving the Judge?

by The Fall Guy in

in an attempt to disparage a faded jw and to obtain their personal details, he deceptively partially quoted a statement from the jw.borg web site to the new york judge when he wrote, .

"disfellowshipping does not cause family relationships to be permanently lost: "the religious ties he had with his family change, but blood ties remain.

the marriage relationship and normal family affections and dealings continue.

OrphanCrow

"Normal family relations continue"

This is the argument presented to the courts even though we know it doesn't work that way in practice.

Here is David Guam (JW lawyer and active JW himself) saying the same thing to the Canadian Supreme Court:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DiFM845NtE

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Violation of the data protection law in Spain. GDPR

by Blade R in

according to the resolution of the data protection agency, the information was used for other purposes than those authorized.. the data protection agency has imposed a fine of 10,000 euros to jehovah's witnesses for collecting data from doctors and patients without prior authorization.. the religious institution has a hospital liaison committee (ceh) in each province that visits the hospitals to find out the degree of collaboration of the medical staff according to the beliefs of the jehovah's witnesses, "which is only realization of surgeries without transfusions ", is included in the resolution of the agency to which medical drafting has had access.. when compiling these data, as demonstrated by the resolution, the members of the committees overreached their duties, gathering information without requesting the relevant permission stipulated by law.

the jehovah's witnesses have filed an appeal after the ruling but it has not been accepted.. without consent.

in the document, the existence of data that have been "stored and conserved, and imply the processing of data without consent that is imputed, estimating that they are part of a file, are related as rights basics".

OrphanCrow

Thank you for posting this, Blades. It is very interesting.

So the data protection laws have effectively exposed the "cult behind the cult" - the WT's bloodless cult. Those "special pioneers" - AKA Hospital Liaison Committee - are now being scrutinized for their data collection on doctors.

The proselytizing efforts of those special pioneers are not exempt from data protection. However, we know that the org will go ahead and collect the data anyways...that is the way they do things. Ignore the law and make up their own rules and then lie about it when a court tries to hold them accountable.

The WT/org's involvement with the medical world is going to bite them in the ass really hard one of these days. It looks like it is starting to happen.

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2018 BRANCH ORGANIZATION Manuel Says The members of the Governing Body do not regard themselves as the leaders of Jehovah's people.

by Fabian in

thanks to atlantis, this statement is mentioned on chapter 1 paragraph 1 in the middle.

but i like how the statement says members but the sentence right before has the governing body dudes in a collective whole like voltron here is the paragraph in whole.

1. governing body: the governing body of jehovah's witnesses is made up of brothers who are anointed servants of jehovah god.

OrphanCrow

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Has Anyone ever turned down to be on the Governing Body?

by Iamallcool in

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friends

just wondering.

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OrphanCrow

12apostates: are there really people here who are still in, as in mentally in? I thought the society forbid fellowship with apostates.

I believe there are. Don't forget that each dislike counts as a 15 minute "witnessing".

Cognitive dissonance allows those who are "in" to excuse their lurking as giving a fine witness. Sites like these are like porn for them - it titillates them to visit here.

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Has Anyone ever turned down to be on the Governing Body?

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

just wondering.

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OrphanCrow

The12Apsotates, don't worry about the downvotes. Some people have fat fingers and hit the wrong button sometimes. And about the re-joining...don't forget that there are posters on here that don't have to re-join - they haven't left yet.

*psst....I gave you a like - I thought your remark was funny :)

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When You Were A JW Did You Really Understand The Religion and What You Were Getting Into?

by minimus in

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friends

many witnesses in my opinion know nothing about the religion.

they don’t understand the history, the doctrines or the bible.

many people become jws because they were raised as witnesses so they take the plunge.

OrphanCrow

Born in.

Didn't have a choice. Didn't know what choice even meant. Didn't sign up. It was done for me.

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2018 BRANCH ORGANIZATION Manuel Says The members of the Governing Body do not regard themselves as the leaders of Jehovah's people.

by Fabian in

thanks to atlantis, this statement is mentioned on chapter 1 paragraph 1 in the middle.

but i like how the statement says members but the sentence right before has the governing body dudes in a collective whole like voltron here is the paragraph in whole.

1. governing body: the governing body of jehovah's witnesses is made up of brothers who are anointed servants of jehovah god.

OrphanCrow

Steve: They just don't like calling themselves leaders because even they can see it has unfavourable connotations from a religious perspective (e.g., all their criticism of the religious leaders of the churches of Christendom).

... because they can see it has unfavorable connotations from a legal perspective

"We are not responsible! Leaders? Nope, not us"

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Anti vaccines

by blisterfeet in

i personally feel that vaccinations are beneficial.

there has been a modern movement that vaccinations are more harmful than beneficial to which i disagree.

what is your stance as an ex jw on vaccinating your children?

OrphanCrow

"ThinkerBelle:

Stonewall: my research I did over the years when I compared vaxxers to anti-vaxxers the anti-vaxxers were for the most part more healthy and were requiring less doctors visits for illnesses/diseases than their counterparts.

Um, Stonewall, I've had every vaccine as have my children and we are rarely ever sick and I don't have a doctor either because well, I've been healthy"

ThinkerBelle, you and your children are seeing the benefits that vaccines can offer that go beyond protection from just the disease being vaccinated against.

For example, the measles vaccine doesn't just protect against measles but it is also responsible for lowering the acquisition of, and death rates from, other infections.

Getting measles damages the immune system, resulting in greater susceptibility to other infections.

For scientific evidence of this, as opposed to the kind of myth making "research" that is heavily biased (Stonewall), this article explains it quite well:

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-benefits-of-the-measles-vaccine-go-beyond-just-protecting-against-measles/