Posts by OrphanCrow

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Governing Body Member Gerrit Loesch Must Eventually Take The Witness Stand In Child Molestation Lawsuits

by frankiespeakin in

with many more cases in the offing the zalkin lawfirm will press the issue again and again and force gerrit loesch to testify.

what say you?.

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OrphanCrow

Dumb non-attorney question: Can Losch be prosecuted for perjury for saying he never worked for the Service department, when of course clearly he did, and does?

Is this statement made "under oath"?

My dumb non-attorney answer:

He affirmed under penalty of perjury under the CA laws that his declaration was true and correct.

Would they prosecute him individually for perjury? Not worth it, I'm guessing. The referees/judges deemed that the objections to Lösch's appearing for deposition had no real merit. He was court ordered to comply along with WTSNY. They didn't and were slapped with a hefty multi-million dollar penalty.

Well...Losch didn't really lie....or maybe...just a little bit.

He said that he didn't work for the US Service Department. It is a side-step. He is probably claiming that he was still in Austria when he was connected to the service department - not in the US. It is a weasel tactic.

What I don't get is this - he claims that the GB's capacity only covers 'spiritual oversight' of the JWs.

Then how come the GB gives out medical advice? How is medical advice and 'scientific' opinion considered 'spiritual'?

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Books about early Christianity

by EdenOne in

i've just finished reading two (imo) great books:.

"a history of christianity - the first three thousand years", by diarmaid macculloch.

"misquoting jesus", by bart ehrman.

OrphanCrow

EdenOne,

If you are interested in dissecting Christianity and the Bible, you may find it helpful to investigate where that Bible came from.

Contrary to what most Christians will tell you - the Bible is not a primary book. The Old Testament (Torah) gets much of its content from pre-existing sources. Even though some Christians will ignore or reject the Old Testament, it is undeniable that Christianity has layered itself over the old writings.

The discovery of Ugarit has done much to add to scholars' understanding of the Biblical text.

http://www.theology.edu/ugarbib.htm

The ancient Canaanite city-state of Ugarit is of utmost importance for those who study the Old Testament. The literature of the city and the theology contained therein go a very long way in helping us to understand the meaning of various Biblical passages as well as aiding us in deciphering difficult Hebrew words. Ugarit was at its political, religious and economic height around the 12th century BCE and thus its period of greatness corresponds with the entry of Israel into Canaan.

Why should people interested in the Old Testament want to know about this city and its inhabitants? Simply because when we listen to their voices we hear echoes of the Old Testament itself. Several of the Psalms were simply adapted from Ugaritic sources; the story of the flood has a near mirror image in Ugaritic literature; and the language of the Bible is greatly illuminated by the language of Ugarit. For instance, look at M. Dahood’s brilliant commentary on the Psalms in the Anchor Bible series for the necessity of Ugaritic for accurate Biblical exegesis. (N.B., for a more thorough discussion of the language of Ugarit, the student is advised to take the course titled “Ugaritic Grammar” offered by this institution).

In short, when one has well in hand the literature and theology of Ugarit, one is well on the way to being able to comprehend some of the most important ideas contained in the Old Testament. For this reason it is worthwhile that we pursue this topic.

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how long will it take for the r&f to realise what this letter means?

by purrpurr in

most of them at the hall will be half asleep as usual.

and the letter is worded very cleverly it just barely skims and hints at what's to come with the halls being sold off.

how many in the halls will realise what it means?

OrphanCrow

How many in the halls will realise what it means? And understand? And how many will start to awake up in response?

I don't think it will matter to most of the r&f.

When it comes right down to it - they will still believe it is 'The Truth' and will sit it out thinking that, at least, they will be the ones that see 'paradise'. They will be secure in their 'knowledge' that they, at least, 'stayed faithful to the end'.

It won't even matter if the Watchtower Society crashes and burns...they will still be waiting on Jehovah.

Faithful to the end....playing their violins while the WTS burns.

People are basically selfish - the r&f, individually, will smugly think that..."ahhh....so it is ME that is the special one...I will survive....after all, the WTS are ONLY MEN...and Jehovah will fix things....and bless ME."

The WTS may fall...but there will always be those who need to believe they are special - and there will always be a cult that will be available for them to insulate themselves against real life.

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Millerites, Jehovahs Witnesses and Purple Triangles

by Simon in

i came across this after posting another iq video to a different topic.

interesting how much the jehovahs witnesses are featured ... but it is because they are a millenial cult with failed rapture prophecies:.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chug6f0tnfg.

OrphanCrow

"Rebel, I am not sure which account is historically accurate When I found the photo, I thought the dress was more reminiscent of late 1800s fashion. I thought it possible that the photo was taken in 1874 - the 'first'Russell rapture."

Look at his face - he was not that old in '74. The picture is taken on his Middle East trip way later.

Okay. That makes sense. I will go with the photo's accuracy over the Watchtower account.

So that means that my inherent distrust of the Watchtower's revisionist history is, yet again, proven to be right.

I was trying to give the Society the benefit of a doubt....

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Governing Body Member Gerrit Loesch Must Eventually Take The Witness Stand In Child Molestation Lawsuits

by frankiespeakin in

with many more cases in the offing the zalkin lawfirm will press the issue again and again and force gerrit loesch to testify.

what say you?.

.

OrphanCrow

Sokay, Apo...I am quite used to being misunderstood.

And, what makes it even harder to be clear about issues is wading through the murky bullshit that is put out by the GB and the Watchtower Society. It is really easy to get confused when wading through the muck.

I feel pity for the poor judge that had to deal with the Watchtower Lawyer's arguments as to why the Society wouldn't cough up the discovery documents or the witness that the court asked for. If my position is hard to understand, just thank your lucky stars you didn't have to be the one on the bench.

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Governing Body Member Gerrit Loesch Must Eventually Take The Witness Stand In Child Molestation Lawsuits

by frankiespeakin in

with many more cases in the offing the zalkin lawfirm will press the issue again and again and force gerrit loesch to testify.

what say you?.

.

OrphanCrow

Apognophos - I see that we have a misunderstanding happening here. I think you read more than what is claimed in my posts.

About the Morris thread - again...I was not the one who claimed that Morris may have a different name than what he goes by. My post was just a response with a photo that substantiated what the entire thread prior to my post claimed. My post was just what it appeared to be and nothing more - just some more circumstantial evidence to add to what had already been written.

Yes.

I believe you read too quickly.

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Governing Body Member Gerrit Loesch Must Eventually Take The Witness Stand In Child Molestation Lawsuits

by frankiespeakin in

with many more cases in the offing the zalkin lawfirm will press the issue again and again and force gerrit loesch to testify.

what say you?.

.

OrphanCrow

There are plenty of people who remember the GB members when they were DOs, COs, and elders, back to their original congregations..... They are born-ins and converts who rose up through the ranks to where they are now.

That is EXACTLY the point I was trying to make.

I was not the one that claimed the GB have nothing to do with the running of the Society - LOSCH SAID THAT. Not me. Read the documents before you take my comment out of context.

My questioning was in response to what was claimed by Losch.

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Russian authorities nab Jehovahs Witnesses for dumping waste

by objectivetruth in

http://rapsinews.com/judicial_news/20141107/272536636.html.

st. petersburg, november 7 (rapsi) environmental prosecutors office for st. petersburg have uncovered violations by the russian jehovahs witnesses chapter, according to the statement issued by the prosecution on friday.. the prosecutors office reports that the religious organization dumped waste in a creek that flows into the gulf of finland, in upstate st. petersburg, without any permit.. the neva-ladoga water authority confirmed that in 2013, jehovahs witnesses dumped more than 30 thousand cubic meters of waste into the creek.

in 2014, authorities detected a rise in concentrations in ammonium lignosulphonate and fluoride, in violation of the on environmental protection federal law and water code of russian federation.. the prosecutors have filed a lawsuit against dumping waste into the creek.

OrphanCrow

ruled by the Father in Cremlin, who used to be the Czar, then was Stalin, then was Brezhnew, then is Putin.

Oh. So you don't really know the history of Russia.

Maybe Russia has just figured out what the Watchtower Society is up to - according to actual court transcripts from Russia - the Watchtower Society's lawyer's argument as to why the JWs should be allowed to set up camp in Russia is because the Society has over 200 doctors waiting to use advanced surgical procedures on them.

Nice...the Society went to the trouble of making sure there is medical staff all lined up to take care of all those JWs that the Society LOVES and tells to refuse lifesaving blood transfusions.

If you like...or if you can't find those Russian court transcripts yourself, I will search them out for you.

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Governing Body Member Gerrit Loesch Must Eventually Take The Witness Stand In Child Molestation Lawsuits

by frankiespeakin in

with many more cases in the offing the zalkin lawfirm will press the issue again and again and force gerrit loesch to testify.

what say you?.

.

OrphanCrow

Thank you, Ann, for posting that link to the court document concerning the discovery papers and why Losch refuses to testify.

Apparently, Losch just 'appeared' out of nowhere (sort of...he says he came from Austria) and, up to the point in time that he became blessed with a position on the governing body, that he had no function whatsoever in the Society's business before that. I don't buy that - that is not how the Society works. However, Losch claims to the court that the GB does NOT have anything at all to do with the Society itself. Oh. Well then, who really is running the Society's affairs??

And it is just laughable how the Society lawyer side steps having to produce documents - claiming that it would take years and cost so much. Whatever happened to all the volunteers that the Society claims donate their work for free? And why would the Society bother to collect all that information on pedophiles and not file it properly?

It makes no sense whatsoever and I think that the bullshit meter is hitting pretty high on this one.

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Russian authorities nab Jehovahs Witnesses for dumping waste

by objectivetruth in

http://rapsinews.com/judicial_news/20141107/272536636.html.

st. petersburg, november 7 (rapsi) environmental prosecutors office for st. petersburg have uncovered violations by the russian jehovahs witnesses chapter, according to the statement issued by the prosecution on friday.. the prosecutors office reports that the religious organization dumped waste in a creek that flows into the gulf of finland, in upstate st. petersburg, without any permit.. the neva-ladoga water authority confirmed that in 2013, jehovahs witnesses dumped more than 30 thousand cubic meters of waste into the creek.

in 2014, authorities detected a rise in concentrations in ammonium lignosulphonate and fluoride, in violation of the on environmental protection federal law and water code of russian federation.. the prosecutors have filed a lawsuit against dumping waste into the creek.

OrphanCrow

Knowing the Russian govt's recent enmity toward JWs, I'm not fully convinced of the accuracy of the report. We cannot rule out the possibility of trumped up charges in this case. I take the report with a grain of salt.

According to the website this is published on:

The Russian Legal Information Agency (RAPSI) was founded on Feb. 10, 2009 in coordination with the Russian Constitutional Court, Russian Supreme Court, Russian Supreme Commercial Court, and RIA Novosti. Due to the involvement of Russia’s highest courts, RAPSI is uniquely situated to provide its readers with exclusive information directly from the press services of courts of all levels and competencies.

I dunno....I will put my faith in this outside source long before I will hold onto the notion that the Watchtower brainwashed thinking is more accurate. The Watchtower Society has instilled the persecution complex so well in its followers and former members that it is sometimes hard to accept that trees do grow in the forest.

I think this report is accurate.