paradisebeauty: I am sure most find it very strange that almost no one partakes.
Maybe in the future the GB will allow "fractions" of wine to be sipped. That might bring up the attendance at the Memorial.
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Western Decline is a Reality - 2015 Memorial Attendance
by berrygerry inas has been observed in western congos, the decline is real.. usa is 12.475 % less -2015 vs 2014.
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Questions for current and former elders re giving evidence
by Mickey mouse insupposing you were called to give evidence by an inquiry.
how would you answer?
are you concerned that you may end up being called to give evidence for past involvement in judicial committees to future inquiries?
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Marvin: I would welcome a law that requires all present and former Watchtower appointed elders to immediately report instances of child molestation they are aware of to secular authorities. They'd get a god-damned earful from me, and they'd be shocked.
Do you need a law to require the reporting of a known crime?
If you are aware of a criminal act that was committed in the past, are you not obligated (morally, at least) to report it even if there isn't a "law" to tell you to do so?
I dunno...maybe it is just me...but, I have reported suspected child abusers to the authorities in the past and I won't hesitate to do so again...and there wasn't a law that told me I had to. I did it because it was the right thing to do. I did it because it may have stopped another child from suffering abuse. I did it so that the police could at least put the suspected child abuser on their radar screen.
Just because there isn't a law that specifically requires ex-elders and present elders to go to the authorities with historic child sex abuse, doesn't mean a person can't go and make a statement to the police anyways. For all you know, that statement may be what the police need in order to proceed with an ongoing investigation.
And besides, if it was a historic case, it means that the perpetuator is still at large, and still able to continue victimizing children.
Why wait for a law to be put in place that demands you report a known crime? If a former elder is aware of a child abuse case that wasn't reported to the police, what is holding them back from reporting it now?
Maybe if all the former elders who are aware of a child aubser in the JWs went and made statements to their local police, a child somewhere could be saved from experiencing the same kind of abuse we have heard from the victims who told their stories to the Royal Commission.
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Can JWs be police in Australia?
by Larrikin inhi everyone, i'm new here, i've been following the rc reports, and i was hoping you could help, my question is are jw allowed to be police, i heard the jws saying in one report with enthusiasm that they had jw in the policeforce.
and would there be any conflict from the force with any of their teaching, that would be contrary to duties..
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It was Spinks who claimed that JWs were on the police force. He said that JWs were in "every level of the police force" in Australia.
I don't believe Spinks - he is a liar.
I cannot imagine that "every level" of the police force has JWs in it. Impossible. Unless, of course, by "every level" he meant that the JWs had the cleaning contract for every floor in the police building.
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The jwgift website in the UK has been around for quite some time now.
A thread from 11 years ago:
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GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!
by defender of truth inthe royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .
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www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.
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TheMark: I think the commission will go easy on him to save face, Jackson's especially.
Oh. Are you, by chance, American?
The Royal Commission in Australia has no need to "save face". Their face is doing just fine.
Losing face would be the scenario you describe.
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GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!
by defender of truth inthe royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .
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www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.
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TheMark: I'll be back Friday to apologize if I was wrong.
But, what about your accusation of bribes being accepted by the Royal Commission? What about an apology for that? That is a very strong accusation that has nothing to do with pessimism - it is a slanderous statement.
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A JW talk about the Governing Body - what JWs are taught about the GB
by OrphanCrow inthis is a youtube uploaded in 2009 that has a talk about the governing body given to jws.. "governing body".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwjm5d9m1lm&index=5&list=pl2vkk1cclbi8xcdxgygijzu9_w6nzx8mt.
the speaker tells the jws that the gb takes such good responsible care of all of them.. the speaker also speaks of a personal experience with bro.
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Yes, the speaker's style is pretty slick. Hypnotic. An appeal to the emotions, for sure.
He keeps emphasizing how the GB "are responsible for you". And, he uses the terms Governing Body and Faithful and Discete Slave interchangably.
Any JW listening to this talk would come away with the idea that the GB are the ones in charge - regardless of whether that is true in practice - the message is what counts. It is the belief that the GB calls the shots that is important to the JWs themselves.
And, the JWs are being told that the GB will look after them - that the GB will take responsibilty for each and every one of the JWs.
Well, we shall see if that holds true or not after Jackson appears this week for the Royal Commission.
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If you could ask Geoffrey Jackson one question that he had to answer what would it be?
by jwleaks inwhat question would you ask geoffrey jackson, as a member of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses, to answer?
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jw leaks.
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I hope that the Royal Commission gets into how the WTS itself is actually organized and structured. It would be great if Jackson revealed who the members of the WTS really are, if the WTS is made up of only JWs, and how a person gets included into the WT Society itself as a member. Who are the 300-500 men who make up the Watchtower Society? What powers do they have?
Jackson should also be asked if the membership of the Society has the power to overturn the GB's decisions.
The distinction between the JW r&f and the JWs who actually have membership in the Watchtower Society itself, has yet to be addressed by the Commission.
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GEOFFREY JACKSON TO APPEAR BEFORE ROYAL COMMISSION ON FRIDAY 14TH August!!!
by defender of truth inthe royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.. .
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www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/2015-08/public-hearing-into-the-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-to-rec.
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TheMark: The WT will come out smelling like roses as the prosecution accepts the bribes.
That is a strong accusation. And one that the Royal Commission does not deserve levied against it.
There has been no indication of bribes or corruption on the part of the RC to this point and accusations of such are unfounded.