(my apologies if this was already discussed somewhere else.).
i noticed that the domain www.mt2414.com was taken, and when i tested it, it was a mirror of the log in portion of the www.jw.org site, where you can look up assemblies, kingdom halls, and make either one time or recurring donations.
so i created an account there (you can use fake form information as long as it's a real email address for email verification).
STA: What value can it have?
*lol! njws...me too!
To bypass the ban in Russia.
The http://www.mt2414.com/ sign in page is in the Russian language.
Gilamesh: ...the Russian version of the site had been flagged as the most used subdirectory. (I assume these are attempts to get around any bans or restrictions on jw.org.)
just wondering if anyone has used any underhanded ways of spreading ttatt.
i mean, has anyone made up business cards or tracts and spread them far and wide?
i would love to engage in this "alternative witnessing".
I have collected brochures from Social Services on child abuse, elder abuse, how to get legal help, where to go if you are an abused woman, etc, and stuck those brochures in the doors of Kingdom Halls.
Rationality rarely works when confronting JWs about why they are one. I think that making JWs aware that there really is help for them on the outside appeals more to their emotions than their (lack of) rationality.
I usually don't bother tackling their theological errors. Most people who are JWs make the choice to be one do so because of an emotional reaction, not a rational reaction. I used to get into theological debates with them but now I just talk to them about their child abuse issues or the blood transfusion ban.
All of my friends and most of my acquaintances know that I am an ex-JW. Whenever religion has come up in the conversation, I always self-identify as a cult survivor. Most people are quite alarmed about the inside, insiduous practices of the JWs - they just think that they are those annoying people who knock on doors and don't celebrate Christmas or birthdays.
I have plans to do my best to stop the JWs from setting up a table at the university this coming semester. It won't be hard to get the women's rights groups to make a stink about the JWs recruiting on campus once I show them videos of Jackson's testimony revealing how JW women are denied basic human rights. If that doesn't work, I will print off the extensive list of Religious Studies classes that the university offers and give it to the JWs that man the tables. If they want to claim that they are "Bible educated" then it might be a good idea for them to see what "the world" has to offer in religious/Bible education - which far surpasses the WTS education.
I also sometimes do things like send off emails to international organizations such as Amnesty International and children's rights groups. Every once in a while I get the urge and I do another email campaign.
hi this is for the lurkers.. please start reading from another translation and use tools like www.biblehub.com to verify the differences you find.. biblehub has an interlinear and a strongs concordance and heaps of dictionaries and commentaries.. you don't have to be a translator but you can clearly see how the watchtower bible and tract society has changed the bible to devalue jesus, to support their idea of a paradise earth hope for christians and many other false doctrines.. i could never understand why the jw's where attacked when they chose to translate the bible - now i know.. seriously people, there are a lot smarter people than me on this forum and heaps of research.
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don't be afraid of the truth!.
TheOldHippie: Strange then, that Jason BeDuhn acknowledges it - together with the Catholic New Jerusalem Bible - to be the most accurate and least corrupted one among the ones he investigated. (Apart from the use of THE NAME in the NT.)
A review of J BeDuhn’s “Truth in Translation”
The Watchtower organisation claims in its publications that Dr BeDuhn is a leading, independent academic, a specialist in biblical languages. It is therefore necessary for us to check these claims.
Dr Jason BeDuhn describes his post as “Associate Professor of Religious Studies.” 9 This is United States terminology for what I believe we in the U.K. would call an assistant college or university lecturer – a post well deserving of respect, while not being that of a leading academic.
He further explains that he works in the Department of Humanities, Arts, and Religion of Northern Arizona University. I note that he does not refer to having any formal qualifications in linguistics and that there is no reference to Koiné Greek in his university degrees, although of course it may have been a component of his undergraduate or postgraduate studies. He also does not make any reference to any qualifications in the other biblical languages, Hebrew and Aramaic.10
He thus presents no evidence of being an expert in the field of Biblical languages.
I further note that his speciality is not Christianity nor even Judaism but comparative cultures. The North Arizona University (“NAU”) website heads its page on him11 with the title “Comparative Cultural Studies” and states that “His areas of research include Biblical Studies, Ancient Christianities12, Manichaeism, Religions of West Asia in Late Antiquity, ritual and and [sic] self-forming practices, and method and theory in the study of religion and history” – again with no reference to linguistics or languages studies or qualifications in these areas. I assume that this description of Dr BeDuhn for publication by his university must at least have been approved by him, and may even have been drafted by him.
Neither he nor NAU makes any reference to him having been involved in any Bible translation project, whether into English or into any other language. At the time of writing “Truth in Translation” (which was published in 2003) he had also not been involved in the translation of any other texts – whether ancient or modern – into English nor into any other language. 13 So all the evidence indicates that he is not a translator of Biblical texts.
...and more at link...
Conclusion by author Trevor Allin about Beduhn's credentials:
I believe that we are thus justified in concluding that BeDuhn is not an acknowledged authority on theology, Bible translation or linguistics, that he is not recognised as an expert in these areas by fellow academics and that he is not consulted or quoted by them in their articles and other publications.
jehovah's witnesses are unreasonable in the way they expect the larger community to respond to their no blood policy.
the medical community is too often held hostage by their insistence on adhering to tan erroneous interpretation of an old book.. jehovah's witness claims surgeon refused to operate.
(*full article at link).
OneeyedJoe: Unless there was something unusual in play here...
What is "unusual in play here" is bloodless surgery.
Bloodless surgery is not as simple as just having the same procedure as everyone else but just flying it solo without a bag of blood. This patient, who had already undergone a bloodless procedure, was unsuitable for a bloodless procedure becuase he had an infection. Infections are a complicating factor that make a bloodless procedure not viable.
...putting the patient under anesthesia presents a greater risk of death than does the refusal of blood.
Exactly. Bloodless surgery is "putting a patient under anesthesia" in ways that are not performed in "regular" surgical procedures. The use of a cell saver and hemodilution procedures are the domain of the anethesiologist, not the surgeon.
jehovah's witnesses are unreasonable in the way they expect the larger community to respond to their no blood policy.
the medical community is too often held hostage by their insistence on adhering to tan erroneous interpretation of an old book.. jehovah's witness claims surgeon refused to operate.
(*full article at link).
Scully: Why didn't the JW seek out assistance from the Hospital Liaison Committee™ to find a surgeon who was willing to perform bloodless surgery?
Scully, that is part of the problem. Bloodless surgery is NOT suitable for all patients or in all situations.
According to the article that is linked, the patient already had bloodless surgery. That is not the issue. The issue is that in spite of the unrealistic promises of bloodless surgery, bloodless procedures still have limitations and the patient was limited by an infection that made bloodless surgery not a viable option.
jehovah's witnesses are unreasonable in the way they expect the larger community to respond to their no blood policy.
the medical community is too often held hostage by their insistence on adhering to tan erroneous interpretation of an old book.. jehovah's witness claims surgeon refused to operate.
(*full article at link).
Sabin: Oh yes Mr William Clinton you want your conscience on the matter of blood to be excepted, your religious freedom. But what of the Doctors conscience, of not wanting as he may of believed to risk a patients life?
It is the same as their approach to blood fractions. They want to dip into the donor pool but at the same time, they won't give back. They want their cake and eat it too.
On the one hand, the medical community has been forced to treat the JWs as though they have some kind of rare disorder and yet, on the other hand, they want to have the "rights" of people who don't suffer from the JW delusion.
If that JW had seen a doctor who told him, "Hey, man, I can't operate on you because your heart is too weak to survive the surgery. It is instant suicide to put you on the table and I cannot do that", would the JW still cry discrimination?
This JW had unreasonable expectations. Those unreasonable expectations are fueled by the WTS' no blood propaganda that distorts the reality of what bloodless surgery actually is. The WTS no blood "educational material" creates a false expectation in those who follow the blood cult.
http://red.theworldnewsmedia.org/index.php/en/forum-home-page/jehovah-s-witnesses/93-court-seizes-over-one-million-jehovah-s-witnesses-brochures-brought-into-russia
Mephis: the Romanovs would have survived at least a few years longer than they did because Russia wouldn't have entered WW1.
Russia's entrance into WW1 had little to do with the Russian Revolution. How Nicholas responded to domestic politics had everything to do with the Revolution. And that was influenced by Rasputin, right up until he was assasinated in 1916 by members of the Royal family.
Of course the historical accounts of pre-revolution Russia are controversial and much of what happened during those times has either been hidden or altered by the resulting takeover of Russia by the Bolsheviks. However, many historians attribute the fall of the Russian Empire to the interference of Rasputin in the internal workings of Russian domestic politics.
What I have said about the role of religious sects in Russian history is not legend according to several historians.
jehovah's witnesses are unreasonable in the way they expect the larger community to respond to their no blood policy.
the medical community is too often held hostage by their insistence on adhering to tan erroneous interpretation of an old book.. jehovah's witness claims surgeon refused to operate.
(*full article at link).
Jehovah's Witnesses are unreasonable in the way they expect the larger community to respond to their no blood policy. The medical community is too often held hostage by their insistence on adhering to tan erroneous interpretation of an old book.
Jehovah's Witness Claims Surgeon Refused to Operate
(*full article at link)
How would you handle a patient who wanted and needed knee surgery but who refused on religious grounds to accept any blood products?
Frank M. Brown, MD, an orthopedic surgeon at the Asheville (N.C.) VA Medical Center, was sued by a Jehovah's Witness named William Clinton, who claimed Dr. Brown refused to operate on him and thereby violated his First Amendment right to freedom of religion. Dr. Brown says he didn't refuse, but he did try to talk Mr. Clinton into reconsidering his refusal to accept blood products under any circumstances.
i've made it easier to search ..............6 mb pdf.
https://mega.nz/#!k9ryyztj!awombvgh2wo8o5p_ghr5gavybhoy1i9nydbsobaph-m.
Thank you!
Searchable pdf's are the coolest. You are awesome!
http://red.theworldnewsmedia.org/index.php/en/forum-home-page/jehovah-s-witnesses/93-court-seizes-over-one-million-jehovah-s-witnesses-brochures-brought-into-russia
Mephis: I really don't think Rasputin had much to do with the authoritarian nature of most Russian governments in the C20th. If you want the parallel, it's in the power of the Orthodox Church once more being harnessed by the state there. It's canny little to do with 'cults' and an awful lot to do with authoritarian regimes finding ways to stigmatise 'the other' within society.
Politics in early 20thC in Russia were most certainly influenced by Rasputin.
And yes, the power of the Orthodox Church is being once more harnessed - like it was in the years that Rasputin became a major influence on the Russian Court and was a major player in the politics that led to the Revolution of 1917 and the eventual demise of the last monarchy of Russia.- an event that some historians say was the most important political event of the 20th C.
