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  Update on Royal Commission - "Child sex abuse inquiry hears 4000th testimony"

  by OrphanCrow in

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  newcastle heraldchild sex abuse inquiry hears 4000th testimonyby joanne mccarthy sept. 10, 2015, 10:30 p.mthe royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse held its 4000th private hearing in a jail in august as britain followed australias lead in tackling child sexual abuse.the royal commission heard evidence on august 19 from a prisoner who had been sexually abused as a child.in britain, the head of its newly established independent inquiry into child sexual abuse praised the remarkable response to the australian commission.in a speech to australian church leaders on thursday, royal commissioner justice peter mcclellan said he was pleased the british inquiry would closely follow successful australian arrangements.more than 1500 people were waiting for a private hearing and about 40 people a week requested a private hearing, justice mcclellan said.the royal commission has received 16,361 allegations involving 3566 institutions since it was established in november 2012 following the newcastle heralds shine the light campaign for a royal commission into historic child sexual abuse.more than 7000 allegations relate to religious institutions, with 4418 against the catholic church, and more than 3600 against government institutions.allegations against other churches are: anglican, 871; uniting church, 411; presbyterian, 123; methodist, 69; salvation army, 519; jehovahs witnesses, 137; jewish, 80; baptist, 59; seventh day adventist, 56; australian christian churches, 50; lutheran, 32; brethren, 30; mormon, 18; coptic orthodox, 4; and greek orthodox, 2.justice mcclellan said the royal commission had referred 727 matters to police to investigate with a view to prosecuting alleged offenders.in the past few weeks, the royal commission had reported to the federal government on a national redress scheme for victims of abuse.it was clear that time limits presented a considerable, and sometimes an insurmountable, burden for survivors wishing to commence civil proceedings against child sex offenders and institutions, he said.the royal commission should also mark the end of the societal norm that children should be seen but not heard, he said.when the required silence of the child was accompanied by an unquestioning belief by adults in the integrity of the carer ... the power imbalance was entrenched to the inevitable detriment of many children, justice mcclellan said.we must ensure that in the future the institution does not silence the child.

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  OrphanCrow

  Dumplin: "there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed"

  "And a little child shall lead them."
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  Update on Royal Commission - "Child sex abuse inquiry hears 4000th testimony"

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  newcastle heraldchild sex abuse inquiry hears 4000th testimonyby joanne mccarthy sept. 10, 2015, 10:30 p.mthe royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse held its 4000th private hearing in a jail in august as britain followed australias lead in tackling child sexual abuse.the royal commission heard evidence on august 19 from a prisoner who had been sexually abused as a child.in britain, the head of its newly established independent inquiry into child sexual abuse praised the remarkable response to the australian commission.in a speech to australian church leaders on thursday, royal commissioner justice peter mcclellan said he was pleased the british inquiry would closely follow successful australian arrangements.more than 1500 people were waiting for a private hearing and about 40 people a week requested a private hearing, justice mcclellan said.the royal commission has received 16,361 allegations involving 3566 institutions since it was established in november 2012 following the newcastle heralds shine the light campaign for a royal commission into historic child sexual abuse.more than 7000 allegations relate to religious institutions, with 4418 against the catholic church, and more than 3600 against government institutions.allegations against other churches are: anglican, 871; uniting church, 411; presbyterian, 123; methodist, 69; salvation army, 519; jehovahs witnesses, 137; jewish, 80; baptist, 59; seventh day adventist, 56; australian christian churches, 50; lutheran, 32; brethren, 30; mormon, 18; coptic orthodox, 4; and greek orthodox, 2.justice mcclellan said the royal commission had referred 727 matters to police to investigate with a view to prosecuting alleged offenders.in the past few weeks, the royal commission had reported to the federal government on a national redress scheme for victims of abuse.it was clear that time limits presented a considerable, and sometimes an insurmountable, burden for survivors wishing to commence civil proceedings against child sex offenders and institutions, he said.the royal commission should also mark the end of the societal norm that children should be seen but not heard, he said.when the required silence of the child was accompanied by an unquestioning belief by adults in the integrity of the carer ... the power imbalance was entrenched to the inevitable detriment of many children, justice mcclellan said.we must ensure that in the future the institution does not silence the child.

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  Newcastle HeraldChild sex abuse inquiry hears 4000th testimony
  
  By JOANNE McCARTHY Sept. 10, 2015, 10:30 p.m
  
  THE Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse held its 4000th private hearing in a jail in August as Britain followed Australia’s lead in tackling child sexual abuse.
  The royal commission heard evidence on August 19 from a prisoner who had been sexually abused as a child.
  In Britain, the head of its newly established Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse praised the ‘‘remarkable’’ response to the Australian commission.
  In a speech to Australian church leaders on Thursday, Royal commissioner Justice Peter McClellan said he was pleased the British inquiry would closely follow successful Australian arrangements.
  More than 1500 people were waiting for a private hearing and about 40 people a week requested a private hearing, Justice McClellan said.
  The royal commission has received 16,361 allegations involving 3566 institutions since it was established in November 2012 following the Newcastle Herald’s Shine the Light campaign for a royal commission into historic child sexual abuse.
  More than 7000 allegations relate to religious institutions, with 4418 against the Catholic Church, and more than 3600 against government institutions.
  Allegations against other churches are: Anglican, 871; Uniting Church, 411; Presbyterian, 123; Methodist, 69; Salvation Army, 519; Jehovah’s Witnesses, 137; Jewish, 80; Baptist, 59; Seventh Day Adventist, 56; Australian Christian Churches, 50; Lutheran, 32; Brethren, 30; Mormon, 18; Coptic Orthodox, 4; and Greek Orthodox, 2.Justice McClellan said the royal commission had referred 727 matters to police to investigate with a view to prosecuting alleged offenders.
  In the past few weeks, the royal commission had reported to the federal government on a national redress scheme for victims of abuse.
  It was clear that time limits presented ‘‘a considerable, and sometimes an insurmountable, burden for survivors wishing to commence civil proceedings’’ against child sex offenders and institutions, he said.
  The royal commission should also mark the end of ‘‘the societal norm that children should be seen but not heard’’, he said.
  ‘‘When the required silence of the child was accompanied by an unquestioning belief by adults in the integrity of the carer ... the power imbalance was entrenched to the inevitable detriment of many children,’’ Justice McClellan said.
  ‘‘We must ensure that in the future the institution does not silence the child.’’
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  The new 'classes' jehovahs-witness.net has created. Which one are you?

  by Esse quam videri in

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  2. beliefs

  over time a number of different 'classes' of members have arisen on this forum.

  1] apple watch watchers - this group takes a great interest in watches worn by members of the governing body.

  2] cult escape consultants - one who freely offers advise on how to flee from a cult - mainly the wt society.

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  Aude: I don't care about doctrine whatsoever.

  I am not interested in proving or disproving doctrine. I view the doctrine as propaganda and the only interest I have in it is how the doctrine is manipulated in order to effect change within and outside of the organization.

  What interests me is the investigation into power dynamics and politics - how the organization operates as a totalitarian society and how they maintain that power - top down but consumed from the bottom up. The doctrine becomes the propaganda that controls that structure.

  I don't really see the JWs are a religion per se - I view them as a cultural/political group that is controlled by a Society of men. Men who take "hope", package it up as a commodity, and sell it.

  Disproving or proving biblical doctrine is meaningless to me unless it is placed into a political framework. Trying to figure out why a doctrine changes and how that change impacts politics, finance, medicine, and the individual, is interesting.

  Eh...I dunno...I don't know what class I belong to. But the watch threads are fun.
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  looking for a thread about 1006= elders knew=.......

  by carla in

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  i have been searching the better part of this morning to find the thread in which somebody commented on 1006 known pedophiles which equals 3 elders at each jc and the totals on how many elders did not report to police (3000?

  ) and also how many known victims in australia.

  i think they also broke it down to how many victims that would average each week/month for the last 60 + years.

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  MadIrishman: Using the commission's numbers of 1,006 reported cases of kids who were molested that comes out to 0.6 percent. So let's say we triple that for all the cases not reported and you would come out to 1.8 percent of Witness kids who were molested.

  To set things a little clearer, the number of victims is much higher than the 1006 figure. That figure is simply the number of pedophiles that the WTS knew about. Some of those pedophiles had multiple victims. The number you have used is not accurate for calculating the magnitude of the problem.

  Not only that, if you like statistics, check out the stats on how many victims actually come forward and the number of potential victims within the JWs is magnified beyond the stats that you give and beyond the stats that are already available for estimated victims of the 1006 pedophiles...that we know of.

  To be fair, your statistical analysis is not valid. Not by a long shot.
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  My Book, 'Gifts in Men', by Patricia F.Sadio

  by GiftsinMen in

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  2. scandals

  another member on here announced the publication of my new book "gifts in men, a heavier responsibility" a couple of months ago and some of you asked who i was as to my authenticity and motives.

  i have had an amazing reaction to my book even from jws who know me and my story but were still shocked at the details.

  i was not raised a jw, not disfellowshipped nor disassociated and loved being a regular pioneer, serving in uk and ireland.

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  GiftsinMen: ...lots of negative pre-judgements and difficulty with Truth...

  *psssssttt....truth is spelled with a lower case "t", not a capital T.

  There is no "Truth".
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  JW woman in Australia murdered by abusive husband

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  *full article and video at link.

  gold coast mcdonalds shooting: victim had left abusive husband.

  stephen lock was a controlling and abusive husband who turned to drugs to try to level his volatile moods.. his wife karina, 49, was a devout jehovahs witness who, for religious reasons, stayed with him until she could take it no more.. friends of the couple have revealed details of their tumultuous relationship, which ended tragically in gunfire at a mcdonalds restaurant yesterday morning..

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  William: She told one elder that told her to go back, "you didn't have to live with him".

  Good for your sister...not only did she not have to live with an abuser, she didn't have to die with one either.

  The WTS treats domestic abuse in the same way that they treat child abuse. As if it is a sin rather than a crime.

  Domestic abuse is a criminal matter, not a spiritual matter.

  SophiaRose: Oh, these women that, for whatever reason, cannot live without a man...
  It is a high price to pay!

  The word "cannot' is crucial in your statement. The "cannot" is rarely the fault of the woman - it is the fault of society at large. If women could leave relationships and have the opportunity to earn enough to support herself and children, then fewer women would stay in abusive situations.

  Unfortunately, there is rarely a choice given for a woman to survive on her own. And, JW women are ill-equipped, for the most part, to enter into the work force and be independent.

  "These women" who "cannot survive on their own" have been forced to accept the role that the WTS has given them, they do not have the skills to survive on their own and have been restricted from seeking help elsewhere. The JW religion cuts their hamstrings. They can't run. They don't know how.
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  JW woman in Australia murdered by abusive husband

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  *full article and video at link.

  gold coast mcdonalds shooting: victim had left abusive husband.

  stephen lock was a controlling and abusive husband who turned to drugs to try to level his volatile moods.. his wife karina, 49, was a devout jehovahs witness who, for religious reasons, stayed with him until she could take it no more.. friends of the couple have revealed details of their tumultuous relationship, which ended tragically in gunfire at a mcdonalds restaurant yesterday morning..

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  SSC: I guess unscriptural divorce was out of the question and she payed the price.

  Yes...the article shows that the JWs were more concerned with trying to convert her husband than they were with the woman's safety.

  This is confirmation that the role of women in the JWs is bait for the men that they can trap. What happens to the woman doesn't matter as long as the man takes the bait.

  And, if he doesn't convert, well...then they can blame Satan.
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  WTB&TS has invested $40,000,000 in November 2007 in a Hedge fund located in the Cayman Islands, a tax haven

  by sammy in

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  2. scandals

  wtb&ts has invested $40,000,000 in november 2007 in a hedge fund located in the cayman islands, a tax haven.

  the document is from the official website : securities and exchange commission:.

  http://www.sec.gov/archives/edgar/vprr/07/9999999997-07-048801 .

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  Mad Irishman: I'm not really sure how this document can be verified.

  Follow the link. It is a government document. Please click on the link.

  The document is from the official website : Securities and Exchange Commission:
  http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/vprr/07/9999999997-07-048801

  If that isn't enough "verification", then I don't know what to say...other than...what would convince you? The document looks pretty authentic to me. If it wasn't, I would think that the US Securities and Exchange Commission could be in a bit of trouble.
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  If the elders were abused sexually this problem would have been taken care of long time ago.

  by Still Totally ADD in

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  2. friends

  i feel the real problem with the wt cult concerning child abuse is it happens to children not adult men.

  notice i didn't say adult women because they don't care about adult women either.

  i remember a c.o.

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  Illuminated:

  Johnathan Drake,
  I don't know where you're getting your facts/ statistics, it is incorrect. Most sex offenders were Not sexually assaulted as children and it is a misconception that a child who's sexually assaulted is more likely to become a predator or homosexual.

  secondly, statistics have shown for years that a person who is sexually abused is more likely to be come a sexual predator. I have read that in many places

  I won't address the "homosexual" part of your statement, but if you really are interested in the provision of statistical information on the prediction of becoming an adult perpetuator after being abused as a child, the following study will provide it for you:

  Cycle of child sexual abuse: links between being a victim and becoming a perpetrator

  Abstract
  Background There is widespread belief in a ‘cycle’ of child sexual abuse, but little empirical evidence for this belief.
  Aims To identify perpetrators of such abuse who had been victims of paedophilia and/or incest, in order to: ascertain whether subjects who had been victims become perpetrators of such abuse; compare characteristics of those who had and had not been victims; and review psychodynamic ideas thought to underlie the behaviour of perpetrators.
  Method Retrospective clinical case note review of 843 subjects attending a specialist forensic psychotherapy centre.
  Results Among 747 males the risk of being a perpetrator was positively correlated with reported sexual abuse victim experiences. The overall rate of having been a victim was 35% for perpetrators and 11% for non-perpetrators. Of the 96 females, 43% had been victims but only one was a perpetrator. A high percentage of male subjects abused in childhood by a female relative became perpetrators. Having been a victim was a strong predictor of becoming a perpetrator, as was an index of parental loss in childhood.
  Conclusions The data support the notion of a victim-to-victimiser cycle in a minority of male perpetrators but not among the female victims studied. Sexual abuse by a female in childhood may be a risk factor for a cycle of abuse in males.

  Illuminated, your statement that most child abusers were not victims themselves is correct. However, the above study does show that being a child victim has a bearing on some perpetuators. Not all and not most...but it does have a bearing. In the perpetuator group, 35% had been child victims and in the non-perpetuator group, 11% had been victimized.

  The above study identifies several other factors that will have a bearing and it is the combination of those factors that need to be considered. Being a child victim is only one of the contributing factors.
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  OSCE (The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe

  by Paul Bonanno in

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  2. friends

  i have noticed that the jws are participating in meetings organized by the osce.

  they are registered or participate under the "european association of jehovah's christian witnesses".

  one point highlighted in this organization is tolerance.

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  TheWonderof you: ...such info is not available for the members or reported because many would see a tegular contact to government or diplomates as contradiction to doctrine.

  Not only that, but the JW members might actually become aware of individual human rights and make the connection that the WTS does not respect their own members' human rights,

  The WTS does not want their members to get interested in any human rights issue except for the right to practice their religion and the right to die or let your children die.