Posts by OrphanCrow

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No more printing of WT and Awake in my country.. Shit just got real

by cognitivedizzy in

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guys .

a letter was just read in out kh stating that all printing of wt and awake is ceased for the coming year and we will just place tracts on fs, countries which were cared by our branch will be cared by other countries...along with this they read the new fs form and stuff about reporting links of videos wtf..lol.

i can't tell which country perhaps that will give away a lot, any one with a similar information.

OrphanCrow

slimfatboy: Why would they turn away good money coming into their economy?

"It is more likely that the WTS did not want to pay tax on the money that they sent to India."

I take that back.

The reason why the Watchtower was banned from sending foreign money to India:

The controversial Watchtower Bible and Tract Society was banned from receiving foreign funds after the government found that it was engaged in coercive conversions.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/growing-foreign-funds-to-religious-organisations-ngos-makes-government-take-notice/1/128748.html

According to the FCRA, only the organisations registered by the central government or those sanctioned "prior permission" can receive funds from abroad. The funds can only come through a declared bank account, and such organisations have to submit their audited returns to the home ministry every year.
The FCRA mechanism exists only to regulate those organisations which receive foreign funds through legal channels. To ensure more complete monitoring, the home ministry now plans to introduce a law that would compel all NGOs, including all religious organisations, to disclose their sources of funds to the government.

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No more printing of WT and Awake in my country.. Shit just got real

by cognitivedizzy in

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friends

guys .

a letter was just read in out kh stating that all printing of wt and awake is ceased for the coming year and we will just place tracts on fs, countries which were cared by our branch will be cared by other countries...along with this they read the new fs form and stuff about reporting links of videos wtf..lol.

i can't tell which country perhaps that will give away a lot, any one with a similar information.

OrphanCrow

slimfatboy: Why would they turn away good money coming into their economy?

It is more likely that the WTS did not want to pay tax on the money that they sent to India.

India does not give the same tax exemptions to religions that the WTS is used to getting in the US.

In 2012, the WTS lost an appeal with the Indian Department of Income Tax:

http://indiankanoon.org/doc/3537197/?type=print

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Why are projects being shut down? Nu-light speculation....

by DATA-DOG in

i went to the meeting last night.

to keep the peace for now, i guess.

anyway...... during the bible highlights, a newly appointed ms explained why construction is being curtailed in some areas.

OrphanCrow

The CLAM workbooks/coloringbooks for 2016 have all the bibblical basis for the construction halt covered.

The latest CLAM has Nehemiah named as the culprit.

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Does the W.T have financial problems are are they just rebranding?

by The Rebel in

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it is evident that the w.t has recently re-branded itself, and has become fairly modern in its marketing techniques.

so the organisation is in that respect forward thinking, and the former way of doing things has past.. .

but this rebranding has been done by marketing experts, who maybe realise progress is progress, and that with modernisation many bethelites " even as free volunteers" are possibly no longer required.

OrphanCrow

Next you will be telling me nobody owns a non-profit organisation, and the W.T. is owned by Jehover. Gee thanks for that.

You are welcome.

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Does the W.T have financial problems are are they just rebranding?

by The Rebel in

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it is evident that the w.t has recently re-branded itself, and has become fairly modern in its marketing techniques.

so the organisation is in that respect forward thinking, and the former way of doing things has past.. .

but this rebranding has been done by marketing experts, who maybe realise progress is progress, and that with modernisation many bethelites " even as free volunteers" are possibly no longer required.

OrphanCrow

The Rebel: OpenCrow....

Are you a bot or do you just do that on purpose? .....ORPHAN Crow.

Please ball point how, the tax status effects my above comments, and requires such instant and immediate attention from the W.T?

No. I will not "ball point" that for you.

Tax laws for non-profits and charitable organizations are fairly complex and require quite of bit of time investment. I recommend, if you really are interested in this...to do your own research. This topic has been covered in past threads.

You continue to make observations and analysis based on the WTS following a "business" model. A nonprofit business model does not look or behave the same as a for profit corporation.

And no, I am not going to 'ballpoint' those differences for you - you will have to do that work yourself.

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Does the W.T have financial problems are are they just rebranding?

by The Rebel in

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it is evident that the w.t has recently re-branded itself, and has become fairly modern in its marketing techniques.

so the organisation is in that respect forward thinking, and the former way of doing things has past.. .

but this rebranding has been done by marketing experts, who maybe realise progress is progress, and that with modernisation many bethelites " even as free volunteers" are possibly no longer required.

OrphanCrow

TheRebel: I appreciate the long thread but it seems to have gone of topic.

That is your opinion. In most discussion 'circles', it is common for participants to throw ideas around to discuss. It is rare that the one who asked the first question gets to control the input of others who are participating.

To clarify I am not qualified in business, so please explain how the W.T:-
a) How laying of " volunteer" bethelites even comes remotely close to solving the pursumed financial problems that the organisation has.

As was pointed out - one of the outcomes of laying off volunteer bethelites is tied up with the WTS keeping tax exempt status for nonprofit activities.

b) How an organisation does not realise the drastic measure of making " volunteer" employees redundant ". Even mind controlled sheep understand these people have no pension, or paidsocial security contributions, ect ect. Surely this will result in many awakening and leaving, or at least no longer contributing financially?
I don't get it.

That is why the ones who have participated in this conversation have attempted to give you some answers. You call that "getting off topic". We don't. We call it an 'open/public' discussion, not one that is controlled and directed by you, the one asking the question.

Just because you are not getting the answers that you want, does not mean the thread has gone off topic.

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Does the W.T have financial problems are are they just rebranding?

by The Rebel in

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it is evident that the w.t has recently re-branded itself, and has become fairly modern in its marketing techniques.

so the organisation is in that respect forward thinking, and the former way of doing things has past.. .

but this rebranding has been done by marketing experts, who maybe realise progress is progress, and that with modernisation many bethelites " even as free volunteers" are possibly no longer required.

OrphanCrow

TheBigMachine: My money would be on Mark Sanderson since he's lowest on the seniority totem pole.

Maybe. But I think that Sanderson is too "clean". He hasn't been around there long enough to get too much dirt under his nails.

He is a good candidate to step up to the plate and clean things up. His face is all shiny clean and his assets would be best utilized in a cleanup role.

Splane is the one who had made some public comments about the WT building projects and such a few years back - he has already stuck his neck into the noose.

Hahaha! maybe we could start a "pool" on the GB who are the most likely to be "stoned".

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Does the W.T have financial problems are are they just rebranding?

by The Rebel in

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it is evident that the w.t has recently re-branded itself, and has become fairly modern in its marketing techniques.

so the organisation is in that respect forward thinking, and the former way of doing things has past.. .

but this rebranding has been done by marketing experts, who maybe realise progress is progress, and that with modernisation many bethelites " even as free volunteers" are possibly no longer required.

OrphanCrow

TheBigMachine: They wouldn't flip flop like that unless...

...there was dissension in the upper ranks.

What is coming next in WT land?

I think we will see disfellowshipping of one or more of the GB. It is the WT pattern and tradition. Whenever there is trouble - the WT finds a scapegoat to take away all their sins.

My money is down on Splane...anyone want to give me odds? It is either Splane or someone else who is going to turn out to be 'Nehemiah'.

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Does the W.T have financial problems are are they just rebranding?

by The Rebel in

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friends

it is evident that the w.t has recently re-branded itself, and has become fairly modern in its marketing techniques.

so the organisation is in that respect forward thinking, and the former way of doing things has past.. .

but this rebranding has been done by marketing experts, who maybe realise progress is progress, and that with modernisation many bethelites " even as free volunteers" are possibly no longer required.

OrphanCrow

TheRebel:
I am obviously missing something, and answers would be welcomed.

The restructuring of Bethel workers, etc has everything to do with falling in line with allowable tax exemptions under charity law.

The WTS will do whatever is necessary in order to hold onto their precious tax exempt status.

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Do You Think Any Of The Governing Body Are Contemplating Suicide? Over This Rather Rude Financial Reality?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

faithful and always so very discrete in many things but when it comes to the lord's money not so good.. i think as it begins to register in their minds as to what a terrible job they have done as ceos of a large corporation leading it into this condition that thoughts of suicide come from.

not to mention the shame at being a public spetical to the world by the rc.

all these things and more are creeping through their denial as they are forced to face reality.

OrphanCrow

Dario: A narcissist/sociopath would harm or kill innocent bystanders waaayyyy before they'd attack themselves.

Yeah. Suicide doesn't benefit a psychopath. Threatening suicide does...but not actually carrying it out.

I think the GB will behave in traditional JW manner - they will symbolically kill one or more of their group. I think a GB disfellowshipping/stoning scandal is likely.