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  2nd amendment right ... where should it end?

  by Simon in

  1. social
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  one thing i like to do to test a theory is to take things to extremes or to their logical conclusion to see if the premises still hold.

  very often, a claim that seems to make sense at a superficial level falls apart when you start to stretch it a little.. so let's play a game.. suppose the 2nd amendment is valid, that some "well regulated militia" really is necessary to hold the government to account.. obviously when this was drafted the government had access to the weapons of it's day which would be muskets!

  so muskets all round.

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  fmf: Nope. Not true.

  I apologize. I didn't realize that not all states allow it. Thank you for the correction.
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  2nd amendment right ... where should it end?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  one thing i like to do to test a theory is to take things to extremes or to their logical conclusion to see if the premises still hold.

  very often, a claim that seems to make sense at a superficial level falls apart when you start to stretch it a little.. so let's play a game.. suppose the 2nd amendment is valid, that some "well regulated militia" really is necessary to hold the government to account.. obviously when this was drafted the government had access to the weapons of it's day which would be muskets!

  so muskets all round.

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  Jumping in just cause the water looks warm...this will be only a sort dip.

  I want to make a comment on one aspect of gun laws that I find remarkably different between Canada and the States and it concerns the use of hand guns.

  In the States, carrying of a hand gun is permitted by anyone who holds registration for it. In Canada, we also can buy and carry hand guns.

  But..in Canada, the carrying and storage of those hand guns is tightly regulated. They can only be used in controlled settings such as gun ranges and can never be carried on your person unless you are a member of the armed forces or police. Even being a private investigator does not allow you to carry a hand gun on your person. If you are an ordinary citizen, transporting the gun, for example, to the gun range, is an undertaking. The gun must be in a locked case and locked inside your glove compartment while going to and from the range and you are not even legally allowed to make any stops along the way. (I am pretty sure it is still the same...I used to go to the gun range with my brother years ago).

  Anyways, the point I am getting at is that a hand gun is made for one purpose and one purpose only - to shoot people. Well...and for sport. Canada recognizes that.

  I have heard some people say that they carry a hand gun when they are out hunting so that they can do the final kill. I ran that idea past my dad who is a very involved hunter of big game for food and he chuckled and then snorted. So did my native friend who carries a knife for that purpose. Canadian hunters don't use hand guns to kill animals.
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  Governing Body went from anonymous secret group to T.V Stars??? How?

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i grew up in the 1980's -90's it was rare to see a faithful slaves picture in 10 years of watchtowers.

  everything was anonymous.

  no one really knew there names except for the "holy oricle" fred franz.. now they are full on t.v stars with there own show.

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  Billy: ...the GB can expect to be the first ones trucked off to the concentration camps when their new headquarters will be turned into President Trump's rural retreat! LOL.

  Nah. That won't happen. If Trump gets in, he will be their guest at their compound. Don't forget that the GB does business with Trump's son-in-law - Jared Kushner.

  If Trump gets in, the GB will be lobbying to make the JWs the official American religion.
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  WTS trade with China in an earlier stage.

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  with the recent thread about wts buying materials for their new warwick hq in china, i want to refer to another story some 10 years ago.. there was then a china government visit to the usa.

  they paid a visit to wts in brooklyn and did in the aftermath a return visit to china for the sake of lean production management.. wts learned the china government producing lean, and they got something in return for that.. what they got, i don't know.

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  The WT's lips are moving again.

  "We are no part of this world and we have no part of worldly governments"

  Right....but it is fine for the big guys to rub shoulders with those in power.

  Hypocrites. All of them.

  The WT visit with Chinese officials reminds me of their hobnobbing with Mugawbe and his goons from Zimbabwe.

  *Gorbatchov, do you have a reference for this?
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  Need confirmation: WT bought an entire mountain in China to mine the granite needed for new WT HQ

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  someone asked for a second source on this, so i'm putting this out there to those who may have visited the new wt hq lately and know it to be true.

  i had read from others on the ex-jw subreddit that had taken a tour recently at wt hq, that they had been shown photos of a mountain in china, and told that this is where all of the granite is being mined from and shipped over to new york to use at the site of the new wt hq.

  apparently, it was cheaper for them to do this and have the local brothers in china mine it, then having to by tons upon tons of granite here in the usa, even wholesale.

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  thegirlnextdoor: WT could easily set themselves up as a vendor

  The bill of ladings, that I linked to, show that the WT is buying directly from a Chinese company.
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  Need confirmation: WT bought an entire mountain in China to mine the granite needed for new WT HQ

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  someone asked for a second source on this, so i'm putting this out there to those who may have visited the new wt hq lately and know it to be true.

  i had read from others on the ex-jw subreddit that had taken a tour recently at wt hq, that they had been shown photos of a mountain in china, and told that this is where all of the granite is being mined from and shipped over to new york to use at the site of the new wt hq.

  apparently, it was cheaper for them to do this and have the local brothers in china mine it, then having to by tons upon tons of granite here in the usa, even wholesale.

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  OrphanCrow

  You are welcome, CC. :)

  Wing Commander, here is a link with a history of Best Cheer back to 1994. They seem to be a well established company with international connections.

  http://www.bestcheer.com/en/about/list_82.aspx
  
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  Need confirmation: WT bought an entire mountain in China to mine the granite needed for new WT HQ

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  someone asked for a second source on this, so i'm putting this out there to those who may have visited the new wt hq lately and know it to be true.

  i had read from others on the ex-jw subreddit that had taken a tour recently at wt hq, that they had been shown photos of a mountain in china, and told that this is where all of the granite is being mined from and shipped over to new york to use at the site of the new wt hq.

  apparently, it was cheaper for them to do this and have the local brothers in china mine it, then having to by tons upon tons of granite here in the usa, even wholesale.

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  Yes, Finkelstein, it is sort of smelly.

  It reminds me of kids in the sandbox bragging about all the stuff their dad can do. Childish exaggeration with a childlike mind that will believe anything their parent tells them.
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  Need confirmation: WT bought an entire mountain in China to mine the granite needed for new WT HQ

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  someone asked for a second source on this, so i'm putting this out there to those who may have visited the new wt hq lately and know it to be true.

  i had read from others on the ex-jw subreddit that had taken a tour recently at wt hq, that they had been shown photos of a mountain in china, and told that this is where all of the granite is being mined from and shipped over to new york to use at the site of the new wt hq.

  apparently, it was cheaper for them to do this and have the local brothers in china mine it, then having to by tons upon tons of granite here in the usa, even wholesale.

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  WC: Does anyone know if WT bought the company listed above, or if it is merely a "shell company" set up to fool the Chinese government?

  The company was established in 1986 but I have not been able to find any ownership history. Probably won't. And, a company of that scope would have lots of private investors. Difficult to know the connections if there are any. However, the WT has a reputation for dealing with "insiders" whenever possible.

  http://rongchengbestcheer.gogostone.com/companyInfo.asp
  
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  Need confirmation: WT bought an entire mountain in China to mine the granite needed for new WT HQ

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  someone asked for a second source on this, so i'm putting this out there to those who may have visited the new wt hq lately and know it to be true.

  i had read from others on the ex-jw subreddit that had taken a tour recently at wt hq, that they had been shown photos of a mountain in china, and told that this is where all of the granite is being mined from and shipped over to new york to use at the site of the new wt hq.

  apparently, it was cheaper for them to do this and have the local brothers in china mine it, then having to by tons upon tons of granite here in the usa, even wholesale.

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  The panjiva website shows "7" shipments to the WT. Not sure how many were for granite - one is from a cabinetry company. Maybe the literature carts.
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  Need confirmation: WT bought an entire mountain in China to mine the granite needed for new WT HQ

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  someone asked for a second source on this, so i'm putting this out there to those who may have visited the new wt hq lately and know it to be true.

  i had read from others on the ex-jw subreddit that had taken a tour recently at wt hq, that they had been shown photos of a mountain in china, and told that this is where all of the granite is being mined from and shipped over to new york to use at the site of the new wt hq.

  apparently, it was cheaper for them to do this and have the local brothers in china mine it, then having to by tons upon tons of granite here in the usa, even wholesale.

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  Oops...I think I linked to the wrong bill of lading.

  This one is for granite:

  https://panjiva.com/Rongcheng-Best-Cheer-Granite-Co-Lt/27773970

  and another one:

  https://www.importgenius.com/suppliers/rongcheng-best-cheer-granite-co-lt